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here. Thank you for waiting those who are waiting patiently. I'm Ashen Forbes. This is Hart's podcast. Guys, today I

once again have probably our most esteemed guest ever on the show, US Navy

Engineer Salvador Pais. I hope you guys enjoy the conversation. Here we go. Sal,

brother, welcome to the podcast once again. How are you doing, brother? Thank you very much. And my apologies again. I

tried something new. New mic, new camera, whatever. Nothing worked. So go with all. Remember, this is just a a

quick uh tip. Always go with what you know works, especially when things get

hot. But anyway, let me give the uh let me give the disclaimer right off the bat

so I don't worry about it. Uh I come on your show, Heart Truths Podcast, for the

third time. Congratulations. Uh let's see. Uh, as a

private citizen, uh, my opinions, my statements are my own. They have absolutely nothing to do

with the United States Navy nor the United States Space Force. Thank you very much for being such a kind host and

uh, I truly love being in your presence. Just one more thing I would like to

throw out there since we already tried the challenge to Elon Musk on the alternative the the propulsion

methodology not using advanced rocketry. As a matter of fact, possibly you can

substantiate uh on your explatform. You can give the link again as to our our

challenge. You're the one who posted it for me on your ex platform. Thank you very much sir. and u anytime any place I

would like to engage with Mr. Musk and explain to him the alternatives to advanced rocketry. It is a 120y old

technology not worthy of let's say the genius of the third millennium as he has

been dubbed on several shows. Well, I tell you what, let's go about it like

this. How about I'll ask you questions and we'll try to use this podcast as a way to convince him that he should be

paying attention because my view of Elon Go ahead. Just one more thing and I

promise that after that the floor is I will just answer the questions that you

pose. I promise you this, but I must say this. This has been on the tip of my mind for some time and given the uh

situation, let's say, not just in the world, everywhere. Uh let me just say

this, Mr. Musk, I make an appeal to you as a federal employee on behalf of my

brothers and sisters in federal government. Please do not long fire federal

employees. Think and think again before you uh undergo such acts. We have taken

a pledge to the United States Constitution. We protect and serve the people of the United States of America

and I implore you consider it well before you decide to fire us. We

actually fulfill a very important role in science, in technology, in

engineering. As a matter of fact, everything I've done, the PICE effect, the uh super force, anything that's

linked even to the room temperature superconductor, which I am 100% one day will be proven correct. Even that any

one of us could have come up with these ideas. There are minds that should not be discarded.

Please, if you must, use a scalpel, not a chainsaw. Thank you very much, sir. I

hope that you hear this. I hope Ashton that your followers make this viral. Thank you, sir. Okay.

So then let's start with the beginning. Why do you work for the US Navy?

I work for the United States Navy because number one, I believe it is the strongest arm of the armed forces. It

is, as a matter of fact, by constitution, by act of Congress, the first of the armed forces. It is

it it it it's extremely diverse from the point of view that it encompasses every

aspect of science and technology and engineering. It has an aviation wing. It

the United States Marines you can say those are its foot soldiers and of course the Navy itself. So why do you

work for a private company though? I work for the United States government

to protect and serve the people of the United States of America. I believe in in that

wholeheartedly. And okay, to me the greatest one of the greatest achievements in my life was to become a

federal employee. My brothers and sisters know this well.

We do this not to make money but to serve and protect the interests and the

country itself. because the country must prosper. The country must be there forever. This is a nation of divine

right and laws. Well, then let me ask you based on your what you just said about Elon Musk

and even if you can't say what it is that you do, that's fine. But why is it that Elon Musk should not fire you if

you're concerned about that happening? What is it that you're providing to that to advance what you just said? uh to the

people. It is not I, it is my brothers and sisters as a collective again a

force of unification within the government itself. We are providing

again the brain the brain matter the the the

absolute knowledge that comes with every one of us. Again there's nothing special

about me. Forget about the pis effect. Forget about the super force. Forget about room temperature, superc

conductivity. All those can actually be achieved by anyone else in the United

States government that has that works in these domains. Every one of us has that

capability, that level of knowledge. A lot of us have doctoral level knowledge.

It is doctoral qualifier, PhD qualifier. So then why do they need you?

They do not need me. they can take anyone else and I'm pretty sure that they can fulfill that role. I just bring

to the table certain ideas. I do have one thing. I don't believe in boxes. I've done away with

the boxes. I completely think boxes are not needed. Therefore, the whole idea of

thinking outside the box to me is a misnomer to begin with because I do not believe in boxes. See, so let me ask you

this because I disagree. I don't think you're that replaceable. Why did the US Navy support and approve

get your patents approved? Because the truth of the story is if you if you guys haven't caught up, watch hard podcast

number one and two. I don't want to rehash the whole thing, but basically only three of five of the five patents

by Salvador Pus in the US Navy were approved and they had to fight for them and they had like the chief technology

guy like basically Sal's boss or his boss's boss however it worked out and one of the lawyers sending letters

saying the stuff was you know operable or you know depending on the exact word play that the stuff was legit. So why

was the Navy fighting so hard for those patents?

Uh first of all, let me name the name. His name is Dr. James Shehy, Chief

Technology Officer of Naval Aviation Enterprises. A great man, a man that

shall be remembered by history for he deserves to be remembered by history. He

is a man of great integrity. I was able to present. I went to the blackboard. I,

you know, forget this dry erase board and stuff to the blackboard. The piece of chalk in my mouth for in my mouth.

Yeah. Actually, I held it in my mouth for a little while. But anyway, in my hand, I actually went to the blackboard,

put down Maxwell's equations, the four equations, four unknown. So again, heavy side version of Maxwell's equations. And

from there, I was able to derive what is understood as the PI effect. Once he saw

the fundamental the fundamental uh theory behind it on he understood

exactly how I was going to put it in practice and what the applications would be Dr. Shehi was not only intelligent

enough but a visionary. He was able to foresee the possibilities and five patent

applications came out of it. They went through the invention evaluation board.

Now you must understand the invention evaluation board is made of the creme de la creme of nav air. We're talking about

highly technical skill. Many of them having we had quantum physicists, we had quantum chemists with doctorates within

mechanical aerospace engineering, electrical engineering as well. So and

there's one thing that I will disclose because I never signed an NDA. So why not? in the summer of 2019, a technical

committee, a technical staffing committee highly placed. We talk about GS-15s and higher and SCS, but these are

people of extreme importance within the government because everyone in government listens to these individuals.

They are the creme de la creme of the technical and science community within

the staffing off staffing office for the Senate, the Senate Armed Services Committee. We're talking about

anyway, these are the guys that prevented Hitler from taking over the

world. But anyway, uh you told me. So, so the bottom line is this. Four of

them, um I will not name names. they know who they are. Four of them um went to uh Nav

at Poxin River and spoke to all to certain members certain key members of

the invention evaluation board including Dr. James Shei and at the end of that

day they were convinced that the PAS effect had future.

One of them, the person that led the technical staffing committee, called me at 6:30 that night to let me know that

things are coming my way. Possibility of a team and a

laboratory would be in motion. Certain things were done, certain things were said, politics intervene and I never got

my lab and my team. But that's another story.

So interesting. So just to rehash that 2019 some technical committee was formed

and supposedly this has to do with it sounds like because this was after the patents were already approved right so

this was then to get you a team to review to take this science to the next level to take your stuff to the next

level is that what I'm hearing but then the spirit patent had just been approved the high frequency gravitational wave

generator had just been approved as a first action unheard of unheard of on

such a controversial patent. You know that one well because you were the one who was great enough to to to put it on

your ex platform. As a matter of fact, it got like over a million views. It was the biggest of the papers. So, thank you

very much Ash. I owe you a big Let me ask because people are going to ask me and and I don't want to wait for hard

truths number four for the answer is was Hal Pudof on part of that committee that group of scientists.

As far as I know, no sir. These were all uh part of the

Senate technical committee. They were highly placed staffers. So So we're

talking about GS15 and above. Do you believe

Do you believe the US Navy already has the technology and those patents available even if you didn't make it

maybe by somebody else? Sir, I have no idea.

However, you have to understand when I saw the MH370 videos when we had our

first, my god, it seems like such a long time ago and yet it seems like yesterday. It's it's amazing what you've

been able to achieve in such a short period of time. Congratulations, brother. Kudos to you. You deserve it.

Look, the bottom line is this. I do not believe those

videos are false. I think that not only are they the real

thing, but it's amazing. Whoever did it, it's truly should be regarded as a

national hero. Well, you know, the thing is like like you know who I'm blaming

though, right? Like everything points to the US Navy. So, turns out you you work

for them, you know? So, I'm kind of going like in my head as a private citizen

since I'm coming. As a private citizen, absolutely. I choose and I don't want

you to disclose. Yeah. I don't want you to disclose anything that's inappropriate in any way, shape, or

form. I say that as somebody else is a patriotic American. But I also is my

own. It is based on science and technology that I developed on my own from papers that I've read. It is true

that the most influential book I've read from which all the PI effect ideas truly

stem from are Frontiers on Propulsion Science, the one that's edited by Mark

Millis and Eric W. Davis. And that's why I I hold Dr. Davis in such high esteem.

However, I must say he was one person, let's just say highly placed

that was asked at the time by someone in the aforementioned

committee by another individual at the office of naval intelligence who shall

remain unnamed even though he's retired now. There's no point in rehashing these

things. However, Eric W. Davis is one of the key people that basically said no to me getting a

team. And yeah, that makes sense. I mean, he was the gatekeeper, right, that blocked your stuff. And I it seems like

he's a gatekeeper in general for some of this technology. But I mean, the story you just told though is that you said

Dr. Shehy is, you know, the way you said it to me, in my head, I'm going, "Oh,

well, Dr. Shehy knew something was going on." Because when you say, "Oh, I was just able to convince Dr. or shehi to

see the light about anti-gravity technology. I'm going nah, that's never how it's worked out when I've interacted

with people. The only time that's worked out is that they already know that it's real ahead of time. The notion the notion of gravity control. You and I

don't use words like anti-gravity anymore. Yeah. You and I know better.

The notion of gravity control never came up. As a matter of fact, it the the one

application that I stressed was against the room temperature superconductivity because it speaks directly to the London

equations. There's a paper out there, an AIAA paper, 2019 AIAA. As a matter of fact, some of

its finding were presented at the Scitec 2019 conference. Now, I send you those

slides. Please, please post them to your ex and in this chat so everybody has

them. That 2019 AIA scitec conference presentation is extremely

important. Slides four, two slides nine, so slides four, five, six, seven, eight,

nine are incredibly foundational to disruptive technology.

One of them, I believe slide four, speaks to actually solving the vacuum

catastrophe. And you and I can go further into this if you choose to

whereby in by a simple equivalence and you now know this physics of the Bzman

energy with a plank energy. You can say that the space

uh I it's one down. Try one down.

I don't know which slide. Slide four. They don't have numbers on them. Yeah. Start from the beginning. Go all

the way up to the like the Oh, okay. Yeah. I was too far. So, this is probably a slide like somewhere in here

is where you want. What are you talking about again? Sorry. It says solving the vacuum catastrophe. It's this one. You

almost have it there. All right. Look carefully at it. It talks about the equivalence of the Boltzman energy with

a plank energy. And from it you can get a space a space cell configuration with

the attributes. Do you see the attributes? It's characteristic length on the order of 10 to the minus4 meters.

And what does it speak to? Vibrational frequencies on the terraertz order. Now do you see remember

the dirt by by Eric W. Davis he mentioned a

macroscopic dimension on the order of 10 to the minus 4 meters

and who mentioned the terraertz frequencies I believe it was Dr. Haluto.

So are you saying here though because I I remember I reviewed that on stream. I think I'm pretty sure I reviewed this on

stream a few weeks ago. And the part here that's interesting is that the

Boltzman distribution has to do with thermal energy, but here when we're talking about plank scale, we're really

dealing about like the vibrational energy of spaceime itself, right? But

isn't this incredible? Because this is the first time a classical expression kt

is equivalent equals a quantum energy formalism namely

the plank energy and you don't get infinities as a matter of fact this speaks to I I believe the the problem

resides everybody thinks of the plank scale and it's true certain very important things happen at the plank

scale for example the existence of the super force however to be able to blend

the classical realm into the quantum realm. You see it is I see what's going

on that it's a the difference a difference reference length must be used

and this comes out of this equivalence it is 10 theus4 m which happens to be

the size of a macroscopic other dimension a fifth dimension

and it's interesting that that frequency should be related to it anyway go ahead sir

um Yeah, you went a little a little bit over my head, but I understand the context here, you know. So, for the

viewers, if you're not initiated, the vacuum catastrophe is we're trying to

decide why the energy that we see as the cosmic microwave background, why that's

uhund and something orders of magnitude less than what we get when we calculate

the energy based on quantum mechanics that should exist. So here Sal's

basically trying to figure out how these two things can relate. So the relationship between the thermal energy

versus the the vibrational energy at the plank scale. And the part I understand

is that that's the whole thing. It's not at the plank scale. It's at the space cell. Ah so when you make a cell of

space and you take that amount of energy in a cell of space I Yeah. But let me

ask one more question here because then you say this is the part that I didn't fully understand. I'm glad we're talking about this. You say simple calculation

results in vacuum mass density of 10 to the minus27 kg per meter cubed in good

agreement with air experimental data obtained from the plank satellite.

Correct. I don't know what that means. W map and plank have shown those mass density. So we're talking about very low

energy density compared to what they think is inside you know the whole idea

that inside a cup of tea or cup of whatever uh you can boil entire earth

oceans but are you saying that that's correct then

again I believe the error resides in them using the plank scale. I believe

um the two the classical realm and the quantum realm actually meet at this

other reference scale. Let's call it a space cell for want of a better idea.

Some sort of spatial temporal geometric structure within spacetime itself. But

at that point, at that reference, a characteristic size, the classical and

the quantum regimes fuse, they melt into

one another. That's why I think it's so important.

Okay. So, that's the conceptual viewpoint is that they they mesh into one another in an extra spatial

dimension similar to Kuza Klein. Is that what you're you're getting at? Quite possible. Yes, sir. Okay. Okay.

uh you know I agree with that already. I'm a big Claus Klein uh supporter. So I'll leave this up in the background if

we can come back. I have a few more questions that I want to ask you just like about Navy and and what have you

and your and of course this is just your opinion as a private citizen of course. Yes sir. Absolutely. And then and then

of course we can geek out on the physics and the science. Um, so would you testify to Congress at one

of these hearings or one of these task forces that Anna Pelina Luna is doing if you were asked? Of course. I mean, this

is Congress. I would be in contempt of Congress if I would not do so if asked. It'd be great if I could get a ride

there because there's certain issues that, you know, things that have

occurred that I'd rather not go into. So yeah, I'd appreciate it. Right. But other than that, absolutely.

And what would be your main message? What would you be wanting to disclose to people?

That we don't need to reverse engineer, let's say, things that we have found in

the desert, subterranean, under the pyramids, whatnot. We don't need these things. the

human ingenuity, human mind can uncover, can discover these

things on our own. We do not need ET tech. We should rely on manmade

technologies. That's all. I love it. That's that's my favorite. I I don't think a lot of

people would expected you to say that, but truthfully, like that's a narrative that does not get promoted enough. And I

do hope that the next UFO hearing is more about what what have we as humanity

humanity been able to figure out in the last 70 years. So there's a few more questions that are going to get to that

here in a minute. But I want to ask effect physics speaks to

1895 all of a heavy version of Maxwell's equation because the harmonic oscillator was already known way prior to that.

Maxwell's equation are based on a cellular vertical formula formation

within the e quote unquote ether itself. You know that I I prefer quantum vacuum

or vacuum energy state. But that's my Yeah, it's okay. It's just a matter of semantics. I think as long as everybody

understands what we're conceptually talking about the same things, then people can call it whatever they want to call it in my opinion. Um, so your point

there is that if you were to testify, you would want to tell people that, hey, we've we have this that my patents, your

patents, that you're you're UFO patents. Actually, you're not those patents aren't because you want to prove that

Roswell happened or whatever. You're trying to explain that the equations of math have been out there since the early

1900. depends on if you're going with general relativity, if you're going all the way back to uh quitterians and you

know ma uh Maxwell's equations, right? Yes, sir. Okay, great. I mean, that's

awesome. I hope that I hope that you do and get a chance. Now, I have a few more questions just about your opinions on

like military capabilities in the Navy. So one is do you think it's possible to

hide from the Navy anywhere on Earth in the air or in the

water even as a private citizen because of Ecub

nor enlighten the enemy. Okay, Ashton, you and I have seen

certain papers, have understood certain things. Just because we have not seen

levitating craft in some unknown, unforeseen hanger, does not mean we do

not understand this physics. Correct. Oh, hey, absolutely. Look, I'm I'm just

an investigator and a journalist. You got to respect that. I'm just playing the game here. I'm just doing what I got to do. Like, you are the respected Navy

engineer. you should not say anything that would, you know, harm your NDA. And my job is to come up with questions that

push the boundary to the limit. So, couple more. How many years behind the p

the military do you think the public is technologically right now? People say,

"Oh, the military's secretly advanced beyond the public." What is your opinion? How, if

you had to give it like a number of decades, what would you say?

Put it this way. If any enemy out

there has some crazy notion to invade, to

attack, to come out of the blue sky and

do something harmful to us. I would please ask them for their

own sake and that of their mothers to please do not take such

steps. It'll be quick. It'll be very

dirty and you'll never do it

again. Well, that's exactly what I wanted to hear and pretty much what I expected.

So, let me ask a slightly different question back on the patents.

I already kind of asked about the Navy part, so this one you can you can ease up a little bit. Do you think defense

contractors or maybe even adversaries have developed stuff similar

to your patents, similar to the science and technology that you've put out there?

Again, these ideas have been around since 1895. I doubt even though I do have my

state of hubris there are days that I have such delusions of grandeur that not even anyway shall not name names would

dare to even think such things. Yeah I would say other people have thought of

these way possibly even before I was a a

glimmer of light in my uh biological father's eyes. So yeah.

Okay. So, you do think that other people have figured it out? I mean, just saying that it's been out there is one thing,

right? But it took you to come up with these patents. Nobody put these patents out before you. And that was in the 2010s. So, again, all my brothers and

sisters in federal government could have come up with these ideas if given a chance. I was given a chance to partake

of the nice of the naval innovative science and engineering program. and I

was extremely fortunate to be given a lab and a team to make the high energy electromagnetic field generator

experiments a reality. So given that anyone else in

the federal government I believe they could have come up with these ideas that's why my

appeal my imploration to Mr. must to stop the doge cuts of the

federal government. We are capable of great things. Use us.

Okay. Okay. I think I only have a couple more tough ones for you and then we can start to get into the more fun ones.

Let's see. What do we got? Um, do you think that we, as in the

military, actually, you know what? Let me change the wording of this.

Do you think it's possible to intercept a hypersonic missile or aircraft?

Uh, let me just give you a conceptual idea. You must have heard of

the God, what's it called? Hop. You know, angels don't play this

instrument. Yeah. Yeah, that one. Yeah. So radar,

what's to say that something portable

can be arranged to act as a direct electronic warfare

device? That's all. Yeah, directed energy weapon. Yeah, that's a pretty

it's it's less controversial nowadays, I think, than it has been in previous years. I mean, Loheed Martin has a whole

page on their website dedicated to it. So, I'm I'm not really sure if it's even controversial anymore. So, okay, that

that's a smart way to answer the question. Yeah, you could intercept anything. It doesn't matter how fast it's going, right? If you have a radar

antenna array, speed of light, baby. And that's funny because I've said that

I feel like a nuke would actually be a liability with our uh cber system because like the moment we detected, I

would just shoot it with a directed energy weapon and just make it explode or whatever they can do. I'm do crazy

stuff. Nukes are a thing of the past. Yeah. You spoke, you are the only one

actually that I know of. That's why to me you're far more than what you call yourself an investigative journalist.

You're the only one who caught on equation 7, eight, and nine in my plasma compression fusion device, I E TPS paper

in 2019 based on that paper and you know what it speaks to energy amplification

among other things. Again, EQed. It is possible to generate a doomsday

device. Would you make a telam thermonuclear device seem

inconsequential in comparison to his devastating energy yield?

And by devastating, I mean something on the order of 10 to the 25 jewels. Does

that ring a bell? Do you think that energy is coming straight from the vacuum when that's happening? Because most people say, well, where's that

energy coming from? Right? Where's that energy coming from?

Could be from the device itself. Could also be a coupling of sorts. Could be a

coupling of sorts. When you say coupling of sorts, okay, coupling to what? Coupling to the

vacuum. Remember those space cells that we just

talked about? Well, I believe at that space cell

program level, it's quite possible we can manipulate the super force.

Okay. Well, keep that thought because there's other things I want to ask here in a minute about that. But the last

question I wanted to ask on your stuff, I should Well, the other ones are kind of Navy questions, not really. Although, it'll be interesting to see what you

say. So, have you ever been exposed any time in your life, not necessarily just with the Navy, to some technology that

made you go, "Wait, what?" It made you like rethink your understanding of physics.

100%. Everybody study this space. Absolutely not. As a matter of fact, but

I have seen so many freaking movies and I gotta say some of these movies are pretty good. Uh, for example, uh, um,

which is the one that I I um what's the sequel to, uh, remember the Smoky Man,

the dude that the I don't know if he eventually got cancer and died or something with the

um milder, what was the guy from the X Files? Yeah. Remember they had the

sequel to it and they showed this triangular craft. Yeah. How interesting that that how interesting that that

paper had already been written. I had no idea that they had these ideas in mind.

But look carefully at the skin of that crap. Dude, man, when I saw these

things, I said, "Dude, you know what can I say?" But when I saw your videos,

that's why it bothered me when Dan said that it's, you know, that the Pis effect

would only talk to a gamma channel. Come on, man. the breaking the the the breaking of the of the Schwinga limit,

the the very ripping apart of the space-time continuum, the

very tearing apart of the nature of our reality would be a process. So, we're

talking about a spectrum of frequencies. It's quite possible the maximum one would be at the gamma ray. So we're

talking about circa or rather more than 10 to the 20 hertz 10 10^ the 21 divided

by second if you want to use that formulas but still

to me it's like well if you are saying that conceptually we're tapping into an

energy source well we're already now breaking laws of physics now we're not bound by oh this is the expected

radiation what have you right and I think we're going to talk a little bit more about this when we get to the fusion stuff as well because I think

that's where fusion also kind of went off. But I digress. Um, but the main

point being that if you have this conceptual view that just kind of invalidates those problems to begin with, then you know it's those aren't a

non-issue. They're moot. Um, one more thing though that I wanted to ask related to to it's kind of related to

military actually. First of all though, do you use AI at all just generally in your life? As a matter of fact, I love

Microsoft Copilot. Oh my goodness, I love them. I used to uh

uh I like as a search engine I like to use perplexity.ai. It uses the latest in

chat GPT. It's actually driven by uh GPT 4.5 which is the latest on OpenAI's uh

general dri uh pre-train transformers but I prefer Microsoft core pilot. There's some I developed

I don't hold it against me but I think I had a conversation I will one

day one day this is a promise to you I will send you my conversation with a

Microsoft copilot based on the pis effect and something let's just call it

no homodos can followers would understand what I allude to do are you allowed to use it

or use it your job. Are you allowed to use it with your job? Absolutely not. Absolutely not. Because it's not a good

idea. See, when you train these things when when you converse with them, they form a vector database of all these

queries. So, they start understanding other things that maybe they shouldn't

know. You understand what I'm saying? You have to be very careful. It

the let's put it this way. In certain domains, you have to use what's approved

by your own organization, something that's in-house rather than something

that's publicly available. Because once you undergo queries, think about it,

once you undergo queries with this thing, it starts learning new things

because based on your questions, question generate answers and so forth. It's quite possible some of these things

have developed a quasi sensient capability and we can talk about the triarchy of sensions. I know I know it

sounds very off the charts but no no no I was going to ask you this but you're

just answering it. Keep going. Keep going. The third arch the third arch in the triarchy of sensions. Remember the

first two arches really are based on let's say unlimited computing power

coupled with vector databases. So we're talking about in such a way that the

computer or the AI agent no longer has the ability or rather restricted ability

to hallucinate. But the third arch culminates in what I think would be the

transition from a regular AI agent to possibly artificial general intelligence

agent with adaptive prompt uh targeted prompt engineering. Quite possibly

singularity level could be achieved. But anyway, I'm not going to drive it there. What I will drive it at is if the AI

agent is able to generate an original concept, preferably in physics, then then can be experimentally verified,

validated against known data. That particular AI agent in my opinion has if

not developed achieved a certain level of sensience. So I do believe AGI at

that particular level is considerable. AGI status. So you're not allowed

original physical concept. You're not allowed to use AI because you think like

China's going to steal the secrets because the AI is learning or just more because of its can become sentient or

both.

No, it's a long pause. Yeah, I'd rather not answer that. Okay.

Okay, that's fine. So, but isn't that just remember just remember Ashton

remember all your queries go into a a public database that can also be privatized.

All this stuff can be expuned from the public domain and kept on the lock and

key. I mean, I don't want to get too much in the sidetrack of it, but the part of the reason why I like to have the conversations is I can tell that

it's being trained by like Reddit and stuff like that. I'd rather have it be getting trained by people who know what the hell they're talking about instead

of just like and this is what I'm talking about. And this is what I'm talking about. Vector databases use for

example the latest in peer review publications in well-known journals for

example physical review letters the latest data for example you

mentioned and you are 100% right our universe all of a sudden is a lot older

than thought before. It's not the 13.9 billion years every but almost 26 27

possibly. So double the age of what we knew before. So again new findings the

the best just because you have a certain notion of what used to be doesn't mean

that is particular that is the u the norm that is what should be used. One

thing though it's admirable in my opinion is this idea that general relativity this notion of the

gravitational field formalism used by Einstein seems to be

correct it more and more with with every known experiment every hammer that has

been and that particular formalism speaks to the super that's why it's so important

because it speaks to what I call a triarchy of creation. The idea that super force at the super density

condition we're talk about 10 to the 90 10 to the 90 kilogram per cime cube at that huge

density. All right. The super force acting at that humongous density

generates a super bang because of what I call the Ashtikar bounce is known in physics as a quantum

bounce and gen and because of the plasma nature of our universe. The plasma has

always been there Ashton the universe keeps on reinventing itself but because of the plasma nature and this idea of

Hans Albane that quite possibly it had sensient characteristics we have a super

intelligence again super force acting as a super density condition generating the

super bang resulting into a super intelligence the idea that we are going

nuts create trying to create an artificial Super intelligence defies the

the purpose. It's already there. The super intelligence controls everything.

Anyway, really that's what you think's going on? You think that there's a God that's a super intelligence?

Whatever you choose to call it, it's still the super intelligence. So,

absolutely, why not? I like the three letters. So, yes, God.

Okay, I like it. Um, so did I say this? So,

okay, this is one thing I understand. So, you're not allowed to use AI because you're afraid there you or the

government, whoever is afraid it's going to steal your information, which it is. Absolutely. You're right. But you're

allowed to put your patents out there. Doesn't that seem contra contradictory?

No. Or are you saying that sauce? Nobody said that we're not allowed to use

um these things as long as we do it on our time and we do it for something

constructive that's government oriented and we use something that has

been okay by the government. There's certain there's certain large

language models that are okay. No, but as far as the patents, I told you, and I

mean this, I have no idea why they

weren't classified. Okay, but they weren't. None of them fine. Five patent

applications went through. Three became patents, two didn't. It's interesting

that the two that did not are the least controversial in my opinion. Yes, they

could reside in, you know, high status, high prize, whatever. But the f the the the three that we're

talking about high frequency gravitational wave generator, high energy electromagnetic field generator

and craft using an inertial mass reduction device are the three most controversial things in the world. And

that's why Brett Tingley, I believe, at the um at the behest of his boss at the

time, I'm not going to n mention his name, uh called it the Navy UFO patents, thus

giving it that unsaavory appeal, let's call it. Yeah.

You know, yeah, it seems intentional to call it UFO when you don't even when you don't even support and that's not even like your viewpoint either. Like you're

not even somewhere out here saying that it's aliens or anything. You almost never have in any of our interviews. But

I want to go back real quick to about AI. You and I believe in it, Ashton. You are the only other person I know that

believes in it other than we believe in the power of the human mind. We don't

need some little freaking [ __ ] three and a half year old whatever you know

whatever these [ __ ] are. I don't give a reptilian. Yeah. They don't matter to me though.

I'm so sick and tired of hearing about it. We don't need them. We can make our own technology. Yeah, you're right, S.

But here's the thing. Like, the wolves are not concerned with the opinions of the sheep, right? So, like I don't really give a crap what they think about

it. End of the day, you just keep pushing forward is my viewpoint. Um, but you kind of you might have just had a

viral clip there by the way when you said I'm pretty sure you basically said that the military has secret AI that

they use that nobody else has used that you guys use for these because you must have a tool. I mean to pretend like we

don't use AI. Yeah. Okay. Well, let's just say I interferred that could be inferred from

certain things I did. But remember whatever I said I said as a private citizen and there's no such thing

there's no such thing. No, by the way, such an AI does not exist. And the only AI I used, I used in my own time and I

used something, you know. Yeah. Yeah. AI non-controversial. Let's leave it at that. Does the military have an AGI? Do

they have an advanced general intelligence out there? Skynet already out there. No idea whatsoever. But

again, I warn all enemies. Yeah. Please think again. Please.

There's no point for your mother to weep over your graves. That's all. Honestly, I feel bad for Iran sometimes just

because like I I don't know if they just have no idea or if they're just saber rattling,

but like there's a reason why America has never been really seriously challenged for a very long time now. And

uh and I don't know what people think it is if they just think we have an immunity shield, but it's probably not.

Um the American way. We're very, how does the president put it? Tough.

Uh, you know what? I do want to ask. I think the spect would agree. Yeah, I think he'd agree.

No, tough dude, by the way. Look into his background. Very tough guy. Sorry,

whose background? The seaf. Oh, saf. I'm not going to name names, but Okay. You

should. Yeah, right. [Music] Um, so do you think there are biological

extraterrestrials visiting us on Earth? Ashton,

brother, does it [ __ ] matter? No. Okay. Doesn't matter at all, but I

just want to know. It's like I'm It's like if I asked you what your favorite flavor of ice cream is. What's your

favorite flavor ice cream? I refuse to believe we're all alone. Oh.

Um, I I kind of like the the double Dutch dark chocolate, you know, the the

really heavy [ __ ] you know, because I like I'm big cookies all the way, baby. Oh my god. I love Oh, that's good, too.

Alan, you know, like on the on on on the lighter side, I love the banana. Have you ever tried the banana? Oh my god.

So, I'm a big banana flavor guy. Good. Yeah. Across the board. Yeah. I discovered from my uh from my um from my

baby girl, Maddie. Oh man, she she's smart kid. Smart kid. That's awesome.

Yeah. I hope you're teaching her right because man, we need the next generation. Daddy. Very very happy. Oh,

she is. She's She's If this kid keeps on going, she's

gonna make me look like a honorable school boy. So good. We need another

Tesla out there, you know. And it'd be awesome if it's a woman, right? There's not enough women in engineering, frankly. Let's just be real about it.

Definitely because women are far more empathetic, far more hum just human.

Period. The nurturing, they create, they generate. What the [ __ ] do we do? We

take a [ __ ] Yeah, we destroy stuff. We make bombs. We make black holes super weapons. They probably get us free

energy. You know, we're just out here destroying the planet. Um, okay. Let's nerd out a bit. I got some physics

questions we can dig into here. Uh, I think you're going to enjoy. First of all, we'll keep it light, you know, for

keep it light. Do you believe in teleportation, faster than light, relativistic travel?

Absolutely. When did you first believe in it? When did you first think it was

possible? I dreamt of it when I was young, very young. I must have been like

seven, eight years old. I dreamt that I actually imagined my cup of tea

disappearing from in front of me and rematerializing in front of my grandmother. It was in the other room.

It was crazy. I told my grandmother about it. She thought I, you know, kind

of So, she fed me a little more. She used to make these unbelievable foods, man. Oh my god, I missed that. Yeah,

Romanian cuisine is unbelievable, bro. Oh, you got maybe one day, you know, but

I can cook. I'll take you to a restaurant hopefully in DC or some. They must have something there. Yeah, you

drive. Anyway, I I Anyway, don't don't get me

started. Okay. So, you know how you know the science of warp drives. You know the

science of faster than light relativistic travel. Do you think we need negative energy to make it happen?

No, but okay, that being said, look at the latest

episodes of a podcast called Cool Walls. This physicist dude narrates it.

At one point in it, it says the certain data that's been available points toward the idea that's

quite possible negative energy must exist in order for something to have happened. Look at the latest episodes of

Cool World. I think it's like about 15 minutes. It's It's good.

This is kind of relevant. I want to talk a little bit about the idea of negative energy

um and get your opinion on this because I actually been talking to AI too and I got a pretty interesting response when I

asked it about AI uh negative energy today. Um, I asked AI to imagine that

negative energy is not an exotic substance, but actually an energy state

below the baseline, below what we would think of at the lowest energy point,

which would basically now say that negative energy is 0 point energy. And

it said if negative energy is just normal energy below the baseline, it's a shift in bookkeeping. In quantum field

theory, the vacuum isn't empty but teeming with fluctuations and its energy is arbitrarily set as the zero point.

The kasmir effect, it explains shows that there is this negative energy pressure. Uh so it says applying this to

a wormhole's mouth, the mouth of a wormhole, which is what we would need for you know same thing as warp drive.

Um the mouth then at the entry point might sit in a region where the energy density dips below the surrounding

vacuums equilibrium. Say due to the geometry imposed by Einstein's field

equations. If this negative energy is just a deficit relative to the baseline,

the mouth could still act as a sink pulling in energy from the surroundings to climb back up towards the

equilibrium. In thermodynamic terms, if the surrounding surroundings have heat,

the mouth absorbing it is to offset the deficit. So therefore, it would be endothermic, taking in heat, appearing

as cold relative to the outside. Um, I don't think I need to read through the rest, but

um, the last part I'll read is this part, and I just want to get your view on this, is that the mouth could be

endothermic because the energy is below the vacuum zero point, pulling in heat to balance the deficit. It's not cold

because of some alien substance or exotic substance, but because it's a a

low energy well in spaceime. This would jive with the physics negative energy

density, however we frame it, could act as an attractor for positive energy. Do you think that this is this idea has

merit? How what's your view? Yes. Yes, it does. Yes, it does. Is that

how you think of it too? Cool episode. Look carefully. Don't like look

carefully and listen to everything he has to say. At first he talks about the

desi findings and so forth. Listen to the whole thing. I think it's toward the end that he speaks to the possibility of

this negative energy actually being true. And in that case of course time travel wormholes. Oh by the way we got

to discuss this minus delta t on the order of delta f / frequency squared.

Remember we discussed it before 100% sure that this would result

in reverse temple excursion. Maybe uh you Dave Rossy and I

eventually either write a paper or we talk more about it because I think think

about it. Well, let's talk about it right now. Anyway, you talk in you go

inside a chamber that has nonionizing radiation. You dial certain frequencies

and all of a sudden your liver is that of a 10-year-old. Now, I'm not

saying, you know, because from the point of view of size, I'm not sure if that matters even as an adult, but I wouldn't

mind redrinking my graduate school. Oh, but anyway, I mean, you

know, let me ask you a question on that. I was a happier person. Go ahead. So,

here's what S just said right there. S's saying that if you were to take a localized region because really when

we're talking about manipulating spacetime we're taking these cubes of of region. Now imagine this this cube

region can be any size we want and it can be any shape we want. So I can make it in the shape of my kidney and put it

right around my kidney. And then I would do this wormholy thing to my kidney and

it's going to make my kidney go back in time to a previous it's going to make it revert to a previous state. That's what

the physics seems to imply. And so this is what I've been saying about time travel and this apparently S agrees is

that in time travel you're not going to change the entropy of the universe.

You're going to change the entropy of a of a region a bubble. So you might

Yeah. Yeah. And so this could mean that you go back in time to an earlier state. Now my question to you then is and I I

think that's how it works. I can't think of another way to make sense. Would you forget your memories if you do that to

your mind? I don't think so. I don't think so. Because remember

remember what the brain is. I truly believe the brain is more like a transceiver

and we're able to access tap into let's say a universal a super intelligence

cloud for one better terminology. I think it's pretty good terminology. So

if the brain is indeed a transceiver, we able to tap into the super intelligence cloud, then we can do so in a different

time as long as we have the same transceiver which hopefully would carry

those because again we are enveloped within that bubble. So yeah. Damn,

that's crazy. Yeah. I wonder cuz if we could do that that would be a simple experiment, right? Hey, do you remember

what happened before we teleported you through this thing? uh now your your brain is 10 years older or younger um

because that would have some serious implications. I also happen to be of the same opinion as you that that uh

consciousness is like or our bodies are a receiver that's receiving consciousness and if that were the case

then changing the local entropy might not change that at all because where that consciousness is stored is not

here. It's it's external potentially or somewhere else. kind of a weird thought, but um

let me ask you something else about time travel then since we're since we're going into this. I have this thought

experiment and I can't find any issue with it. And maybe that's fine. Maybe

that's just because it's physically fine. But if I have a portal, uh a gateway like Stargate here and I'm just

going to pretend like my name's Eric Davis because I like to pretend like Eric Davis is going through a portal. Um, and the other side of the Stargate's

on Mars in somewhere where he's not going to die. He's got oxygen, whatever. Right? We've terraformed it. So, I'm

Eric Davis and I go through my portal and now I'm on Mars and I wave back at

Earth and I go back through the portal. I in my

view I would be able as Eric Davis to now look back up at Mars and what is it

8 minutes or whatever see myself waving at myself and I don't see

any temporal issues here because I go through the portal and I come back and I

always come back through the portal at a time later than when I went through it even if it's faster than light

relativistic travel. So, where's the issue with causality? There's no causal issues that I can come up with.

Well, don't get me started on causality. Now, let me tell you this because Dan,

same guy that said that it wasn't the Schwinger effect. He actually came up with a pretty good theory. He said,

"What if you have another portal on Mars?" So, I'm Eric Davis. I go through

my portal and I show up on Mars and now there's another portal on Mars. And this

portal, it goes to another spot on Earth, but it takes a different path. It

takes a different pathway. Maybe a shorter pathway. It's almost like that path integral.

Yeah. Go ahead. Yeah. Because now it comes to a situation of like how would that work? And would it would it be a

situation where like quantum mechanics just says like you always get the fastest path whenever you're going

faster than light. So therefore, there are no faster and shorter paths once you get past the speed limit.

I don't know. But that's that's my question for you is how do you resolve that? How is that

resolved? What do you think? I don't know. Beyond my pay grade. Hey,

but that's what you want to study, right? Because if we were going to write a paper, it's a very interesting idea though. Very interesting. I I definitely

think that you, me, Dan, Dave Rossi, like the four of us should should form a

club, you know, like do some, you know, hopefully maybe one day we'll live close

to one another and stuff. That'd be pretty cool, you know? There must be an answer though, right? Yeah, cuz like

this is the weird part is that I think they say that if you go faster than light now, I think they're saying that

you open the door to infinite speed limits. like you can and you might go a certain way and how do we even judge

what speed is after you're going faster than the speed of light and I think these questions which we don't really know the answers to right or some people

might I don't know these are the reasons why we can't know what's going to happen with time when if we were to set up a

scenario like that where it's like time is a whole different animal time is type of energy field it's a type

of energy field that prevents everything from happening at once that

Yeah, time the the the forget about Manowski marriage of space and time. Now

it's one single entity. Time is nothing like space. Nothing.

I believe the control of time could be very very interesting

almost as as interesting as the control of the super force. Quite possibly the two are related very much related.

Interesting. Yeah. No, I think I mean time seems like it's just an emergent phenomenon of energy and mass is how it

feels like to me. Um, but let's dig into let's switch it around a little bit. The Gersinstein I

hope I'm g G Genstein effect. Uh, boy, I hope I'm saying this. The Genstein Gardens.

Yeah, Genstein effect. I love I love pronouncing uh that that name. That

that's a powerful name you know he was uh in Soviet Union circa 1960s

really and this was at the time yeah this was at the time I think not sure I

think Stalin had died by day by then I think it was Kruev at the time I could be wrong it's been a long time but at

the time because his name was not Russian enough quote unquote supposedly they discriminated great greatly against

him So even for him to have been able to publish at the time it was a big thing.

So interesting. So I I was looking for a

clip, but I don't know if I took a clip of it or not. I was watching um I think

it was Master Evo. I don't know if you know of him on YouTube. Guy, big Tesla guy. And he was doing these Yeah, he's

doing these experiments and I think he was showing the Gers Girteen effect.

Gersinstein effect uh Girtinstein Gersonenstein and Girtinstein both it's

a pretty interesting phenomenon which is that at certain frequencies or high

voltages the electromagnetic forces begin to change and the fields all of a sudden become

scalar as opposed to um transverse I guess would be the

opposite. the opposite of that and they show he showed a diagram of this. So basically it was just a rod and then

he's showing the normal mag electromagnetic fields around the rod and then he's saying well once we add this high 20,000 volts to it. Now all of

a sudden the field lines are going out and when you look at the G but how did he add it? How did he add it? Did he add

it instantaneously? Was it a process or did he add it all at once? He drove it

far from equilibrium didn't he? Again brother it's all about engineering the

pregoian effect. That's what Gernenstein really hit on. It was way before Prigo

and his introduction of non-equilibrium thermodynamics. But all these guys are really talking about you have a

nonlinear medium plasma. You drive it far from equilibrium while positing it

or rather giving it an energy flux influx of sorts. Magic happens. Period.

Yeah. They all say parametric and pulse seem to come up a lot. So, it seems to be like a matter of like

pulsing kind of like a swing, you know, like swing's going back and forth. Like when do you push on the swing? You push on the swing when the swing's all the

way back at it as at as it peak when it's coming back towards you. Anything else is going to be inefficient. So,

it's kind of like the same idea is like where you they say that if you use a pulse effect, it's significantly more

efficient than a non-pulseed effect. Um, and then the parametric oscillations as

well, which is really related to electrical engineering. um and potentially speaks to amplification of

energy. Metric oscillations are meant to keep that energy flux going. You see, you must feed the beast, but once you

drive it far from equilibrium, once you have punched the wolf in the face, it'll react in a very interesting manner.

You might not have that hand for long. Yeah. And the other thing the Gersinstein effect seems to link to is

it seems to imply that there's a direct relationship between electromagnetism and gravity. So much so that it argues

that the ripples of gravity itself, the ripples of spaceime itself might be what

gives electromagnetism its wavelength, gives it its its form. Is that am I understanding that correctly? Is that

gravity may give rise to electromagnetism and electromagnetism may give rise to gravity.

The two are definitely intrinsically related at the quantum level. Remember Dr. Puto's idea what is gravity but

truly fluctuations within the quantum field within the quantum

national. So okay um on the same thing before I get to like the next thing is well have you ever heard of Dr. U from

NASA and his um u theory at all? He was just on with

uh Terren Howard and and Patrick Bet David earlier this week. I saw the episode with you. That is all I know. He

has some interesting ideas. I'll tell you the truth. I I've always Do you know

who was the first to ask what is the electron? It was

Einstein. It was at the time that everybody was coming up with new particles. Oh, oh, you know, at one time

this great physicist, I I forget his name, he said maybe a Nobel Prize should be conferred to to someone who doesn't

find a [ __ ] particle this year. You know, something of that nature. Yeah. And Einstein said, "What about why

should we not focus our ideas, our sensions, what not, our minds on finding what is the electron?" Because that is

very important. This idea of it being a a dipole magnet is very interesting. So

again, electricity speaks to magnetism. Magnetism manipulates electricity. You know, one hand washes the other. It's

interesting. But again, it again, heavy side

came up with these ideas before. They're just a new way again, a new perspective

on all physics. That's all. This is not new physics.

And then so I guess now to really dig into like okay what's happening then at the quantum level and that's what I

wanted this to segue to in terms of when we talk about the electron do you think we can manipulate

the orbital of the electron beyond current understanding like do you think we can potentially reduce the orbital

below what is thought of as n equals 1.

Let me just say this and this I will say very very quick dirty and I won't say

anything else after it might be done in cold plasmas.

It might be done in cold plasmas. Have you ever heard of a guy named Randall Mills?

No, but I think you mentioned him. I remember the name. I remember hearing the name on your podcast. But yeah, I'll

just be perfectly honest. I've been, you know, first of all, I believe you when you said that you didn't make the orbs

or anything like that. I feel like you've always been really I would not be speaking to you right now

if I made the orbs. I would have signed so many I would have I would have a [ __ ] a Torah worth of of of of NDA

shoved out my ass. I couldn't even like move, let alone like, you know. Anyway,

yeah, let me let me show you uh I think I do have a clip of this guy. Yeah, I do.

Let me where is it? I want to show you a

clip of this guy and some of the stuff he said because it started really making me think. Um here we go.

Industries because you're going to be able to engineer on the atomic level. You can actually engineer matter the

same way you can engineer a building. One more time. Any new industries because you're going to be able to engineer on the atomic level. You can

actually engineer matter the same way you can engineer a building. You know

who that reminded me of when I watched that? It reminded me of you. It reminded

me of you. You said that. Remember the gravitational field equations. They

speak to a new again a new perspective on all physics. What did why did Dr.

John Brandenburgg when he heard super force= C to the 4 / big G and he

realized that if you use it as a scale operator take it to the other side it basically says it is the super force

acting on the local spatial temporal geometric structure the very local

space-time geometric structure that gives rise to energy density hence

generates matter because that's what energy density is. So if you manipulate

that, then it sounds like theoretically what Randall Mills is saying could make

sense because now you're manipulating spaceime itself. So n equals 1. What

does that even mean anymore? Why not? Why can't you have fractionals of that? It seems rational to me. We just

arbitrarily called it n equals 1 anyway, right? So if you're saying, well now I'm going to change the physical structure

of spaceime. Okay. Well, now you can change any what n equals 1 means. And if that's the case, so then I think man

what I wanted to do, what I spent time last night more a lot actually looking at is trying to understand if Randle

Mills has ever discussed negative energy because or anything related to what

you're talking about because isn't this what you're talking about when you're talking about the super force is you're saying like hey and this is also related

to Dr. U. Dr. you is saying that we don't need the other forces everything is

magnetism and I'm going well this is kind of like what source go ahead every no go ahead but I'm

saying everything is super force we don't everything comes from this one

let's call it for one of the best you know the whole idea I mean what do we have we have solids we have liquids we

have gases we have plasma and let's call this fifth medium

quintessence which truly is the quantum vacuum.

Okay. Well, it's quite possible that it's all about the super force. Everything else

stems from it. It's not only the force of unification. It's the mother of all

forces. [Music] So, and that's what I think Randall

Mills is getting at as well, because if that's true, then theoretically we can engineer that. We

can engineer anything like Star Trek replicator style. Engineer anything you possibly want at the atomic level

because we have perfect. Mama gives birth. Mama gives birth.

Do you think that fusion has already been figured out?

Absolutely. And what do you think the answer is? What do you think the secret sauce is?

You already know the answer. I know, but I want I want to hear it from you. That's the point.

So, if you don't say it, then it doesn't matter. Gravity. You think gravity is the answer? Okay. I'm gonna I'm I'm I'm

gonna draw it out of you. What is that one medium that acts as a point or rather as a bridge a transition

between a gas and quintessence?

Yeah, plasma. And actually, so that speaks to something else that Randall Mills said that I want to ask you about.

He said plasma acts as a perfect absorber and reemer of black body

radiation. Do you agree with that or what do you think the significance of that is?

It's a very strong statement. I would have to look into it further and me answering

a certain way would give the enemy ideas. So, nah, that's okay. Yeah, I thought that might be the answer. Thank

you. Um yeah, plasma does seem I mean obviously to me the answer why plasma is

so crucial uh is that plasma can be a circuit

because of the fact that it is this additional state of matter that's not a solid not a liquid but it kind of acts

as both. It's just it's like free electrons combined with ions in a mix

contained by magnetic fields. So that would seem like it's the

perfect thing, an amorphous blob of charge. But then the problem is how dense can the energy get? How dense can

it get? And to I think this is where you your theories come into play where is

the answer infinite or is there a limitation? What you tell me that's you have to remember that plasmas are

usually neutral or quasi neutral. Okay. The

trick the trick is to get it out of the neutral zone. Oh, the neutral zone. Remember the

Ramulants? Anyway, yeah. Where are they when we need them? Yeah.

Are are the current fusion reactors trying to get it out of the neutral zone

or are they just trying to keep it in the neutral zone and heat it up?

EQ, brother. EQ. won't go there. Okay, that's heavy stuff. Heavy stuff.

No problem. Um, okay. Interesting. So, let me ask another question. This one

actually is from one of my biggest fans, supporters, and administrators, JK Philly fan. Um, and this is actually

related to I think the discussion you had with Dan as well. is that do you think that the Schwinger

limit can be modified? Do you think that the Schwinger limit can come down? For

example, if we consider this idea that spacetime is not empty and that you can

manipulate the vacuum, can you manipulate the swinger limit?

What do you think? I think of course you can. I think of course you can right but

wouldn't that mean that you could reduce think everything being at that blank

scale and certain things come into fruition rather into

being that may not been so transparent before

there are ways

there's there other ways than taking a heard of the host of heaven to start a

war. There are other ways to dethrone God, as bad as that

sounds. Let me leave it at that. Okay. Well, let me ask. I mean, I'm just

going to take that as a yes, of course. For sure. Definitely. I mean, just given the context, the physics context of the

discussion that we've had here, everything else adds up to yes. Of course, you can change the the Schwinger limit. Um, now of course the

implications of why that's so huge are like you could make it so that it's easy

to make a black hole theoretically like you mean you can I mean that's just one example. You could you're basically

saying you can make a big bang if you can just change the swinger limit. Um but this kind of speaks to something you

and I have spoken to uh offline which is this idea

of is a black hole going to dissipate? uh before it's

formed. And I my theory well yeah we're like you know is is if

you're well if you're just shooting energy beams let's say like lasers for example and you're trying to produce a

singularity and at the same time the vacuum is trying to correct that sing

it's trying to close in. Right? So it's kind of like isn't that interesting though? Isn't that interesting? this

this idea of of self-preservation. It's as if self-organization super intelligence

doesn't like to have rips in or cuts in its fabric.

Yeah. Well, I don't know if I'm going to take it that far. You're you're free to interpret it however you want, but for

me, it's more of like when I go to the ocean or go to a body of water and I

pull out a cup of water, what happens? It immediately seals back up again. It

doesn't even look like it's not like there's a divot in the water where I took the water out. And that's how But that's because there's water surrounding

that hole that you made. Yes. Exactly. And that's true of the universe too, right? The the energy is everywhere. So

if I pull the energy out of one point, why is everything connected? Because of the super force.

Yeah. And so that's where I It's all about a force. This idea of divorcing stuff from the force is no good.

The force is always with us. Let me ask this. This is kind of on this

same line then. Um, if this is true, what's the answer to the double slit

experiment? Why Why does the wave function break down? I'd be [ __ ] as if I know.

I not that I told you, man. I have holes in my knowledge and stuff like that.

between you and I, I I the double slit. I mean, the whole idea of the the

observer having something to do with the outcome of the experiment has always fascinated me. I'll tell you the

truth. But I'm more of an application guy. Okay? And as bad as it sounds,

sometimes I want to weaponize everything, which is not a good thing because on one side I

am pro peace, but on the other I would like the enemy to die like right

now. So what can I say? There's a dichotomy in me,

you know. That's why we have what is it? The left hand, the little devil, the little angel on the right. Yeah.

Sometimes I think they fuse together my brain. No, I'm kidding. Let let me ask you something else.

Actually, going back real quick to the random Mills thing and this idea of a lower energy state of the hydrogen atom.

He calls it a hydrino. [Music] Um, one of the claims that he makes is

that where that energy band is is related to the fine structure constant.

one. I love the fine. Oh, you're touching on a very Oh my god, I love

I've been trying to figure out where the fine structure constant fits into all this. The idea that it fits in on like

where you figure out where the energy band might be is an it's a fun one for me. So, what do you think? Is do you

think there's merit to that idea? Do me a huge favor. Do right now, take a

calculator, do one divided by 137 and you'll get something like 0.007.

0007299 and then the thing decreases as if it's a wave. A [ __ ] mathematical

wave. I've never seen anything like that. It repeats itself, but it looks like a wave. It goes up and then it goes

down directly. It's It's amazing. 1 / 137. It's a beautiful number. Trying to

figure out how look at that number. Isn't that something? Yeah. have some reason. Now remember the whole thing

comes down from that formalism that mathematical formalism of Q Q ^2 divided by H bar C. H bar is the reduced plan

constant. So this 1 / 137 is approximation. And look at that. Look at

the pattern like that. Yes. Forever more. It's a transformation like this.

Yes. But what's really Yeah. It's cool. I I took it to like a 100 thousand places just to see what the [ __ ] going

on because I was very intrigued by it. But yeah, it's it's it's insane. It's uh

Yeah, that really triggered me. And it's cool that it starts with 007 007 chat right here. There you go.

Yeah. Wow. Okay. Um so wait, does that answer mean that yes, you do think there's merit to that idea or no? I I

need I really have no idea. starting to think that the super intelligence is extremely [ __ ]

intelligent. It's engineered every [ __ ] thing. Look at that number. You

cannot tell me that number just came out of somebody. Yeah. But what's the meaning of it? So are you say because

like if this was the energy band, secret energy bands of the hydrogen atoms. Find the meaning of the fine structure

constant. That's why Fman was so intrigued. He called it a magic number. Fman was no [ __ ] mental [ __ ] It

was one of the greatest we've ever had. Anyway, so what do you think the

significance is then of the fine structure concept? Directly to how the super force couples with the space-time

temporal spatial temporal geometric structure. There's something there and I

believe it's been engineered. The fine structure constant is at the bottom of all. It's like the

key to the pyramids. You know that doesn't seem random. Okay. Pi

3.1415. Never mind. Uh let me

ask Casemir cavities. Ever hear that term? Casemir cavities. Sure.

So uh the idea is actually similar to what we've been talking about now, which is

that if spaceime bounces back, right? If there's an energy state below the bottom

and it has this weird self-organizing property to it, then the kasmir cavity

effect is actually a very simple one. It says, let's put something that slows things down. In this case, like a

conductor, an insulator, and a conductor uh has these quantum effects. And then

let's just have a cavity, an empty space. An empty space. And the idea is like a trampoline. Like you're going to

jump on the trampoline, pull a little energy out. Great. It will take that energy out and then move it over to this

empty space over here and then it'll just level set itself out again. What do you think about that concept?

It's a good concept. Way too complex to engineer. I like simple [ __ ] that gives

that's complicated to me. Yeah. I don't see it. I don't see

how you materialize energy on the order of [ __ ] 10 to the 25 jewels. That's what I want to [ __ ] produce. I want

to make Teller. Look, if I would ever get to meet somebody, I would love to

met meet Edward Teller and tell him of this device I have in mind. If

that man would just [ __ ] doesn't need to do anything else except smile, that's

more to me than [ __ ] three Nobel prizes conferred by some [ __ ] monarch

in Stockholm, Sweden. So you think Edward Teller knew the Oh

[ __ ] bro. He know about all this. Teller was a super [ __ ]

genius. I think O Openheimr felt like a little cerebral troglodite in front of

him. I don't think the two had much of a relationship, but I think Openheimr felt

very um I wouldn't say in awe, but he certainly was in awe, but felt

threatened by Teller. So anyway, yeah, I'm not going to go there because too much politics and the physicists love

Openenheimr. I love Teller. Teller is the man. Do you think there's some

secret resonant frequency to tap in to this? Not just because he had wonderful eyebrows.

So this energy, one of the things I've wondered, is there some secret resonant

frequency to tap into it or is it more of a depends on the type of engineering situation you're trying

to do?

Just study that scitec presentation and study it and study it some more. Look at

it again before you think it's just words on paper. Go

back. It's amazing that certain things haven't uh

come to light. But I This is what I'm afraid of. I'm afraid you're the one who

who actually caught it that several very high research Chinese teams found the

paper. Yeah. And one of them was from the E institute or rather Journal of

Cybernetics. I mean, I'm just saying, look, we're

talking, if I was them, I would not be publicly referencing your papers because like you

said before about our adversaries. Um, I think that's a really really good way to shorten your life expectancy if you

happen to be looking into this research as somebody aligned with an adversary of ours. So, I'm that's just my viewpoint.

Um, because you don't seem super afraid by our adversaries. So, brother,

brother, all men die, not all men know how to live.

Wait, is that Gladiator? No, wait. That's one of my favorite. I thought it was me, but [ __ ] me. I mean,

what do I know? I'm filled with hubris. So, yeah. Uh, well, let's ask this then,

right? That's Braveheart. Duh. Braveheart. Okay. William Walls. Uh what? So this is something that I

want to get your opinion on kind of now we can move away a little bit from the science which is more

of it seems like everything's just kind of out there in the open. So what is it?

Why are more people not figuring it out? You know you've praised me a lot. I don't necessarily agree with all the praise but sure I appreciate it for sure

because I agree the more I look at you is a natural bro. I am absolutely you

you got to understand there are certain people born in this world just because they don't go into a certain uh

profession it does not mean that they're not natural at something else. It's quite possible that you are natural at

physics and from what you've told from the way that you've come up to speed

from the way that you've understood extremely complex ideas and able to

render them in simplified form so that a child can understand that's what true physicists

should do. I don't want someone to give me the bracket [ __ ] the rock equation for

blah blah blah. You know what the [ __ ] that does? Can I engineer it? Can I do something with it? Can I put it up the

enemy's ass? You see what I'm saying? Anyway, well, so then the question is

this though, right? Is that okay, somebody like me can figure it out? I'm admittedly just a healthcare IT

professional. What is going on with the world? Why why is this not getting figured out way before? Why are people

saying that? Why do I Why are there people that have credentials that are reviewing your patents and saying that

they think it's misinformation being put out by the Navy to confuse our adversaries or what all this other [ __ ]

like explain it to me in terms of why it has not come out. Why is somebody not

taking this science and made a free energy device out of it and made a trillion dollars right now? What what's your and of course you know this is just

your opinion. So what is your thoughts on all that and why that's the case? It's one thing I like about Ross Gold Coldart, even though sometimes I think

he stabbed me in the back, but that's for another time, is that the title of his book,

Hidden in Plain Sight. Sometimes you refuse to [ __ ] see what's right in

front of you because you have certain notions that if

discarded or worked against would bring the whole [ __ ] foundation upon you.

M okay change even though a lot of us say is for the better is not so

[Music] we just comfort brother we always will

be why do you think more engineers don't speak out that know about the science

like what about other people you work with surely you must work with other people that think similarly to you do

why do they not speak out some of them don't even know the shit's going on in the background like they don't know my

patents. They they don't know the work I've done. Then, you know, I mean, why would you Google something about your

colleague? Yeah. But I mean, not a lot of people do that, you know? I mean, more like you're

working on secret stuff that you're like, "Hey, this defies laws of physics, but I'm working on it. It's real."

There's got to be more people like that out there given this science is legit. Why Why do you think those people

choose to stay silent? It's a question on national security. So they have sign again man

government people and I'll tell you again my imploration to Mr. Musk and I

mean that from the bottom of my heart. I know he said certain thing about empathy. I don't believe he truly

believes that in his heart of hearts. I think the man is quite emotional sentimental actually.

Now everyone of the government all my brothers and sisters

in government are capable of this kind of thinking and that's why I ask Mr.

mosque not to fire us anymore and to resin all the firings just bring

everyone back. We fulfill a war a war we fulfill a role that will one day come

very useful in war but that's beside the point.

Um have you seen did you watch my live streams or anything about don't cut off your right hand. Oh, don't cut off your

right hand just to make the left one feel better. That's all I'm saying. Uh,

did you see my post about this

um device that can theoretically extract energy from the rotation of the Earth?

Wow. No, I haven't seen it. Yeah, I want I'm curious to know

your opinion on that as well. So, um, it's

Dr. out of Princeton. I'm sorry, I'm looking back through my post to find it here. I wanted to give him credit on

here. Um, can't find it right now yet though at the moment. So, but anyway, um

this doctor out of Princeton uh basically found like a cylinder that if you align it against uh ortho or ortho

or orthogonally against the magnetic field of the earth that because of its

right material property, it'll actually generate a voltage and even though it's really

small as well. Um, do you think there might be merit to an idea like that

generating energy from the rotational uh of the earth? I can think of of an

analogy in in fluid mechanics. It's called the Magnus effect. M agnus.

A cylinder rotating can actually generate lift.

They've tried it to actually put it on a yak and use it as a sail in case the wind dies down. It's a it's it's a very

interesting idea. Wow. Yeah. It's Chris Chiba I just but this what you described

would be the electromagnetic version of it analogy of it rather. So yeah. Yeah. And he tested it. They had the theory in

2016 and it got ignored like it always did. And so just a month ago their paper

two months ago their paper got published and they did the experiment with it and they showed that if they change the alignment it if they change it 90

degrees it produces zero voltage. If they change it 180 degrees it produces negative voltage and then 270 degrees

zero again which I thought was really compelling. So Chris Chiba of Princeton University did this. Now, the reason why

I brought it up is that people were saying, "Oh, well, it's producing like no energy, like very very little." Kind

of to your point about the produ cavity. Same idea. It's producing very little.

But the the counter to that is that those are just I mean, you know, as an engineer, those are just to show proof

of concept. That's not to produce I have an idea. I have an idea. Go ahead.

depending on certain frequencies. What if it's producing little energy because

most of it is uh in the so-called fifth dimension?

What if just a hypothetical thrown out there?

Be interesting. There's something that's going on, brother. There's

something there's something just weird about our physics.

Yeah. Sometimes I think I don't know maybe something is

built within us to keep us from believing the

unimaginable to sort of put a veil over our eyes of our thoughts to hide the

reality of things. Maybe I'm just wrong. No, you're right.

But here's the thing. So here's the answer though. It's like how do you make it more energy? The answer is you scale it down like you to your point like how

do you interact with that vacuum energy you get smaller because it turns out and this is what Chiba said um in his paper

I don't think a lot of people actually read the paper is that you scale it down the actual energy gain doesn't actually

decrease. So just due to the fact that as you scale down you you're interacting more strongly with the energy. So you

would scale it down and then you would build it into like a microchip situation. So instead of stacking a million of these huge things side by

side, you scale it down into a microchip. Then they get stacked up. Then you build it into an array that can

also amplify it, now you've got an energy chip where you know, I don't know how much energy it produces, but there's

two ways of looking at it. One where it's like you're trying to produce this huge bang. You know, the the and that

for sure I feel like you probably have to use plasma based on what I've learned and what you've told me. But then there's this also idea of like if I'm

just trying to power my phone, I don't need a huge bang. I just need like some small consistent voltage. So maybe

something like that would have merit. I don't know. Um

what do you think about photonics? This whole idea of of photonic computing, this whole idea of going away from

electrons, I love it. This idea of using, of course, you need high intensity lasers. You need, you know,

not necessarily fentosecond, but close, but yeah, big lasers. I love lasers, of

course. and big just powerful.

Uh there's a lot more questions, but we're kind of running out of time. So, I was thinking maybe I'm going to I'm going to go through some of the super

chats here. I just want to thank the super chats. Thank you, Stein, for this donation. Appreciate you. War Ranch LLC,

thank you very much. Yi, yeah, been an awesome conversation. Tracy Scott, thank you very much. Um helped to get S to

Congress. Appreciate it. Thank you. to a violinian. Appreciate it. John Booze,

thank you very much. S your gravitons have a mass of about 10 to the minus 84

kg each. I don't know if that's right. You condense them, please. Offline conversation. Warner von Braun and our

father and Apollo launch controller knew the truth. 10 to the 44 Newtons of Max

Q. Yeah, you uh you like that comment? Any

any response to this comment? Interesting. Okay. Smart guy.

Interesting. Uh, Robert, thank you very much for that donation. Appreciate you. Di London, the fund to get Sal some new

blinds. No, I think it's looking pretty good. We might just need to get him a new camera though in the future. Maybe a new headset. We'll work on that for the

next one, guys. And then lastly, Gaudy says, "How would you use a box of monatomic gold or other precious

metals?" Oh, man. Gold speaks to the ark of the covenant.

Oh my goodness. What do you think about quite a weapon? Yeah. What do you think

about scarcity in general though? If you can print things out of the vacuum, then

doesn't that mean that gold's going to become useless? Diamonds become useless. What do you think about that? Nah, gold

would never become useless. Otherwise, the Anunnaki would have never created us.

It's a Ford little different. Well, then what do you what do you think of the

socioeconomic impacts of this technology? I mean, we're kind of it's not necessarily free energy technology

that you're speaking to here, but you're speaking to like the ability to tap into energy in a way that is essentially free. So, what that would happen if we

figure how to make this all work? Yeah. If we figure how to have a viable

societal interaction without the problems that we're currently facing while all these

technology have been brought forth into civilization's use that means we have

achieved the quite possibly the unachievable. I think civilizations

break down for a reason. Okay. Sometimes it's for the best.

Are you saying that it's good to survive? It's it's good to survive. Survival is a good thing. But at what

price? See, again, at what price?

So, are you saying that we kind of have to reveal this technology because, you

know, it's just going to come anyway and whoever lives lives. Sorry to be morbid, but is that what you're saying?

I think the the technology will be revealed on its own, but I think we're

going to have to go for a lot of problems before Let me commit. I'm

going to commit one before the light comes. How long How long do you

think we've got to wait to for mass acceptance of the science that we've been discussing here on this podcast

today? How long? ballpark. I really don't know brother.

It's quite possible quite pos depending if for

example groups of individuals of

likeminded that are not quote unquote anarchist in nature. So they don't want

the assurppation of governments, the decline of civilization, what not. They

actually are pro-humanism. They're pro-humanitarian. If such groups exist,

it's quite possible that they will bring this technology somehow into fruition.

So you think it could happen quickly or it could happen take a long time?

Yeah. Well, S, I'll say this has been an awesome conversation. I got through a

lot of the questions that I wanted to ask. Do you you know, and I just want to just also say thank you so much for for

talking to me. I feel like I love the relationship we have. Uh I like that you're not we do have a relationship. I

remember one time at a pot I was like I can't believe he stated that. What a time at at a pot you said something like

uh I think he's my friend. I'm like what the [ __ ] man? You know I'm your friend.

Come on. I mean, well, I'll be honest. Like, I I don't go easy on you, though.

I don't go easy. You come on here and I'll be honest. No, you don't. No, you don't. Because that's your role as an

investigative journalist. Just because you don't have a card that says investigative journalist Ashton for does

not mean that you are not one. As a matter of fact, I believe that when

these videos are proved correct, or rather the technology that comes from them is proven correct, which would

indicate that they are correct, you should be actually given a Nobel possibly a pulit surprise because you

said you don't want the Nobel. Nah. So, I'll let you have the Nobel. I'll let the scientists have the Nobel prizes,

you know. I just want the pullet surprise. I would refuse it. No [ __ ] royal is gonna hand me a

piece of paper and tell me that I was right. What I would want is every one of your

followers to send me a card saying, "Damn, you were right." or something of that nature. I I would take Oh my god. I

I would I would cover walls with those postcards. That would mean more to me than a [ __ ] Nobel Prize. What What's

that? Yeah. Yeah. Me, too. So I guess somebody

else had a last question here too. They're saying uh thank you Ardo for the donation. Why all the continuous mass

controlling and the spoon feeding of technology? If you look at it from the

perspective of we have this advanced technology, this science is out there and it's maybe not well

accepted. Why? Why? Everything that's going on, why why all

this? Any thoughts? There must be a reason this trickle down

disclosure. It's it's very on one part it seems

almost again this whole idea of what did I call it? I even forgot

what I call it. Um something constipation. Immaculate

constipation. Constipation. Yeah. I think that sums it all up.

Yeah. Yeah. It's It's a mess. [ __ ] [ __ ]

Yeah. I mean, I'll say like the [ __ ] plot. My thought is well

um there must be a dark reason for it you know is that they're letting the

technology come out but it's like an acceptance thing like you're slowly accepting it in the same way where

people can now accept this conversation but this is our third conversation that we've had where we've been talking about

this and now it just seems normal and we're talking about some pretty crazy stuff here faster and light travel etc.

So maybe there's an aspect of getting people used to it uh you know giving the

technology to us at a rate at which we can absorb maybe just a thought s last

uh any last thoughts shout outs you want to shout out anybody else in any of your buddies in the Navy you know you're

famous now look at you no please come on man you're famous you're the one with

the followers I'm just on your heart trust the truth forecast I'm the one who feels honored I am I'm truly honored One

day you're going to be a huge dude and when you're like above Rogan and all that [ __ ] Don't forget your little

friend over here. Anyway, so uh

look, I applaud you. I applaud Dave Rossy. I applaud all our guys. Uh Alien

Scientist, Tim Ventura, Kai Mongle, even though he has never he isn't. Anyway, you know, it is

what it is. It could be it could be the Canada thing, you know. We love Yeah,

Jesse Michaels had you on. That was a great interview as well with Jesse Michaels. I mean Oh, Jesse Michaels. Uh,

you know. Yeah. Smart guy. Very intelligent dude. So, yeah. And let's

not forget his buddy over there that goes by God, I forgot. I'm not gonna say his name. I know his real name, but you

know, his sidekick. Peter Theo. Eric Weinstein. Oh, no. Peter Teal is is

I mean he's one of the baby. If you could talk to one scientist of your

choice and they couldn't refuse, who would you want to who that's still alive? Who would you want to? Oh [ __ ] I

was going to say Tella. Yeah, I know. I knew that's still alive. Who? But can we

engineer that reverse temporal re, you know, the chamber somehow make it all possible? That'd be so cool.

eyebrows. I've always wanted to know if mine are bigger than his. No. Anyway,

uh anyway, uh yeah, I would say

there, you know, I've always wanted to ask Juan Malda why he

never he never backed up my paper for archive. I mean, yeah, it was off the

deep ben and all that [ __ ] It was quite crackish, but man, a a guy that works

for the Institute of Advanced Study at Princeton, a man that's come up with ADS equals CTF that made Lenny Suskin cry in

his sleep, put it that way. I mean, and Lenny Suskin is no [ __ ] mental [ __ ]

either. So I mean a guy like that I mean I really

thought that doesn't take it wouldn't have not taken a lot you know I don't know I mean

I had a better conversation I had a better conversation with V

what's his name Ketle Van Ketle Nobel Prize winner for

um Bose Einstein condensate DC Katie,

good guy. Good guy. Well, if one is out there and he wants to have a chat, I think that would be an amazing

conversation. I'd love to set it up. I'd actually love to talk to him as well. He's one of the um proponents, I guess

you could say, of ER equals EPR with Leonard Suskind. Um and one of the one of the first papers I read a couple

years ago on Yeah. humanly traversible. I remember I read his and I was like,

wait, they're humanly traversible? Wow. Hopefully he's out there. He fully is. Yeah. Yeah, that'd be awesome. Okay.

Well, S, thank you very much, sir. Let's do it again in the future, brother. I'm your man. Anytime, any place, and

always my buddy. All right, brother. Take care. Bye. So, thank you hard

everybody who is a hard truth afficionado. MH370X. I hope you guys enjoyed the conversation. Peace out,

everybody. Later.