welcome everybody to another episode of the hard truths podcast with Ashton Forbes today I have a very special guest

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his name is Tom Monto Tom monok is expert at scaler physics he is a

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electrical engineer and a physicist he is written several books we spoke a year

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ago had a mind-blowing conversation about scaler physics now I want to bring Tom monok back on to talk more about

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plasma UFOs aliens and scalers physics Tom welcome back to the show brother hey

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Ashton good to be back thanks well let's just jump right into this okay I know some people are familiar with your

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background other people are not familiar with it just give us a quick recap of what you've been studying for the last

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15 or 20 years related to physics engineering UFO phenomenon okay yeah so

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as a child I had various paranormal experiences in Germany stuff that nowadays you could call it potentially

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extraterrestrial but I've also had various kinds of um Supernatural entity encounters as

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well besides that doing non-physical stuff but anyway so when I was 13 I decided to really started digging into

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what could be going on with that so I read all the UFO all the all the metaphysics all the physics books at my local library and then um a couple years

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later I started getting really into suppressed science so I ordered all these information packets from Rex

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research.com and uh well this is before the internet so they advertised in the back of popular science magazines so I

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got their photocopied information packets on towns and brown on various free energy inventions willhelm Reich

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and the entire thing so I started doing lots and lots of experiments back then uh I didn't have the expertise or the uh

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tools I needed to do it properly but I did try at least I got into weather engineering using willhelm rice Cloud

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busting techniques and then eventually I went to college for physics and electrical engineering so I only ended

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up doing four and a half years of that because uh I realized going into Academia it was too iCal and I didn't

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have the freedom that I would need to pursue these Fringe things without always having to worry about covering my own ass from you know ruining my

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credibility for looking into something that wasn't officially approved so I decided you know what I'm just going to do like graphic design web design on the

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side and spend my free time studying these topics everything from alternative science to euphology to current events

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to I mean everything that could provide puzzle pieces as to what's really going on and what is really being kept away

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from us and so over the years I've communicated with thousands of people including scientists researchers abductees ethologist uh any any sort of

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Truth Seeker who's into this and I've amassed a huge database of personal anecdotal data plus you know research

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things many things that you yourself as have been into and have been discovering over the past year I've been heavily

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into a lot of that stuff too uh and so that sort of uh allows us to converge our paths right now in this uh podcast

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absolutely so what is going on at after your research after Decades of looking

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into it talking to people getting experiences looking into the science and

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the physics what is your best guess for what's going on with the UFO phenomenon yeah so I think um working backwards uh

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it's you and yourself know your entire audience knows that the government the

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shadow government the shadow military they have technologies that are decades if not centuries ahead of uh what is

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admitted within mainstream physics so when I went to college back in 1998 through 2002 uh our

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textbooks that stuff is Stone AG compared to the true science that these Black Ops programs have now the question

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is how much of that is explainable within euphology in other words how much of the supposed UFO phenomenon alien

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phenomenon abductions and so on is actually the secret government being involved in these illicit illegal uh

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programs and I think I would say maybe 30 to 50% of it is nowadays that it's it's quite a bit because within the

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euphology field there's not only the supposed thing as alien abductions but there's also military abductions or my

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labs and just's many many people you know I mean they're not all nutcakes or fruit cakes or anything they're they're

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like you know people with credentials that claim to be military abductees and also on the anecdotal data like I know

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people personally whose parents were in the military and they went on to go into working for the NSA or military like

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Naval intelligence or something and they would have periods of time during the military service where they would black out and they wouldn't know what they did

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for that period of time it's almost like they're indoctrinated into a black program and then when they discharged

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from it they all their memories of it were erased okay and when you're involved in something like that it's

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very easy for you to also be um have like have like an alter and so like an alter personality that can be switched

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on or off and so you could be living a regular Suburban life and sometimes at night you could be abducted using portal

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technology similar to the MH370 type technology where you can be taken out of your room you know I mean not like an

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entire airplane but just you your body brought to an underground base do what you do there in your alternate personality and then be be brought back

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by 5: in the morning to wake up an hour later this is a sort of a a common pattern okay and so um within that field

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of abductions there is definitely a human component to it for sure okay um but me myself you know when I was a kid

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in Germany neither of my parents were involved in anything military whatsoever my entire family had no association with

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US military uh we did live in Germany which did have US military bases but I don't see how I would get on their radar

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and the experiences that I remember they do seem to involve non-humans okay I do remember the typical gray aliens I

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remember something that was like a gray SL reptilian hybrid and I thought it was my imagination until I asked my mom and

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my grandma like was there anything weird that happened during those years and they said oh yeah of course you know you're always talking about these gray

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men or these Stone men that be coming after you right so it wasn't like like me reading abduction

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literature and then like inventing memories because my mom and my grandma remembered me talking about that stuff

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so anyway that set me on a long research path to figure out okay well what's going on with that so my my personal my

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personal hypothesis okay my personal hypothesis is that if humans have the ability to develop very Advanced

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Technologies and we've done it rapidly from like 1850s what we had like horses and Buggies and then all of a sudden

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Tesla came around and then the the Airship mystery sightings of 1890s where clearly some group was experimenting

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with anti-gravity vessels even in the 1890s okay and then you go a little bit beyond that once you had quantum

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mechanics and relativity and then the Nazis were uh they're probably the ones that were um generating those Foo

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Fighters that that you know certain certain airplanes were seeing uh and they also had Advanced anti-gravity

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technology and POS possibly free energy maybe even time travel or time bending technology back then you know certain

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allegations of that um and so things accelerated very very quickly and so you have to think about it okay well what if

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what if this track of acceleration keeps on happening for the next I don't know 500 years yeah how far could Humanity go

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they you you could probably go to Alpha centor even right now using that technology right so the thing is if

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there is life elsewhere in the universe at all at all and they also have this acceleration

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curve how impossible is it that at some point they could have done the same thing and now we are the ones being

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visited even 100 thousand years ago a million years ago so just humans can do it I think other things can do it and

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perhaps therefore they have and therefore they have been here for a very long time so that's sort of my personal view on it and the thing is if you

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continue that thought experiment more and more and more you start realizing okay well then you have different worlds different uh civilizations that all

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accelerate at their own independent rates but eventually they Collide eventually they you know it could be like the Spaniards meeting the natives

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or it could be the Spaniards meeting the British you know like a parody kind of a thing but either way you get Wars you

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get competition and eventually you get a kind of homeostasis amongst all these different civilizations where everyone

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knows their place and there's ra rules and laws in place and so on so what if

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that has already happened and Earth is kind of in this heavily traffic trafficked area but almost

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um kept isolated in a way you know like like the like some sort of a nature preserve or or zoo or something you know

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and and so maybe maybe these things that are around they're not just secret military things but could actually be

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humanoids or other beings from other worlds that are here for their own agenda and I think the ones that have

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the most power would be the ones that would be the most involved in our Affairs because they would have the

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greatest ability to do so and that could include everything from genetic manipulation to um trying to take over

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the planet for themselves by our consent you know so they'd be seeding a lot of disinformation like oh the graves are

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good and we need them we need to hybridize with them that's that sort of Spiel so so when you start hearing these narratives about graay is wanting to

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hybridize with us and trying to infuse our genetics with Theirs to create this Superior hybrid that's half human and

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half gray well you know what maybe that's not all government disinformation maybe that is an actual genuinely

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extraterrestrial or some sort of non-human intelligence that's trying to do that and if that's the case then

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we've got two problems to deal with don't we we have one problem which is the human corrupt military component

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which is trying to hoard all this technology for themselves and you have a higher version

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of that which is more more Cosmic right so it's almost like like like two bosses in this video game we have to get

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through we have to get through the human corruption element and we have to get through this uh Alien corruption element so it's actually probably more complex

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and more difficult than some some conspiracy researchers believe that's my

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I I think it's a good hypothesis why because you've sh you've uh grounded it in logic and reason which is okay we've

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got these technologies that are out there maybe they're free energy maybe they're teleportation or portals

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whatever you want to call it those two things are really the only thing that's holding back faster than light travel at

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the moment and if you open the door to faster than light travel now all of a sudden it's not so implausible that

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aliens would be here you know it's like now if distance is no longer an issue

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maybe the aliens can come visit us which is why I personally think that the technology will open the door to those

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bigger questions on what is the nature of the alien stuff and people that have been saying like people gon say oh he's

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talking about hybridization the more I look into this stuff the less in the woo I think that's

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like the thing that's like the least in the woo in my opinion is that we've been able to clone people for like 20 years I

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don't know if a lot of people know this but under George Bush we banned human cloning there was just a story a few

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weeks ago of a guy cloning some kind of weird big horn sheep and then hybridizing it as well like some random

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farmer so like we're in the point in 2024 where genetic manipulation crisper

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technology is already reached complete mainstream right um I guess what I would

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ask you on a followup is so what I'm hearing is that it's a combination potentially of technology that humans

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have figured out maybe we've got it from Aliens or what have it goes back really far is what I'm hearing maybe 150 years

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and then possibly a combination of actual visitation or just non-human

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intelligence you kind of you weren't super specific about it but you know opens door a lot of different options out there right right and I would say

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that I think if we okay so if aliens didn't exist if we were just left our own devices I do think that the

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trajectory that we took from the 18 mid 1800s forwards it is possible that we could have done it all on our own

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because once you get to um James Maxwell and his electrodynamic theory and you start expanding that just a little bit

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that opens the door to anti-gravity free energy portals time travel so the potential was already there however the

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were certain things like semiconductor Technologies which they they were really really struggling with it until Roswell

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Roswell crash happen I think within within one year oh they came out with a transistor finally a working transistor

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you know maybe they just need that little nudge and you know some people theorize that Roswell that was an actual alien craft but that it was purposely uh

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crashed as a trojan horse in order to seed advanced technology within human

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civilization and uh well the question is why well now we have computers now we got cameras everywhere we got satellites

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watching us we have we're on on the eve of a global totalitarian police state thanks to that sort of Technology maybe

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that's what the goal was all along I'm not sure but um some people have theorized that and I I I guess it's

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possible I mean from what I know about uh euphology abduction experiences

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anecdotes all the data everything about it these aliens are extremely clever I mean they're very clever not only that

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but they are also you know like with remote remote viewing okay you can remote view not only other places but

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also other times the past the future probable Futures right and so these beings it seems to me that they have an

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very Advanced ability of precognition of being able to map out different probable Futures and to adjust their actions and

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their adjustments to our timeline right now just like the movie The Adjustment Bureau they're able to adjust things right now in order to affect the future

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in a way that they want now you would think okay well if they have that much power why haven't they fully taken over our planet and I think it's probably

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because um there are other factions that might cancel that out that want a different goal and so there's this uh

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this cold war kind of counterbalance happening even at the non-human level that is keeping things relatively steady

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up until a certain point so yeah it's pretty complex um I will

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say I think I think overall human history has been nudged and managed by potentially by non-human powers and and

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I just say that based on works like William bramley's the gods of Eden which is an interesting book because he was a historian who didn't believe in any of

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this alien stuff he just wanted to he just wanted to write a general history book so he started digging into actual

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library archives in Europe and everywhere like looking at these ancient records and he started spotting all these anomalies that indicated either

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the presence of Time Travelers or something that seemed non-human interfering with human history at key

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points so it's an interesting book you know because he ended up writing a totally different book than what he stood out to but that's usually how it

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goes you know a lot of these people that are into euphology they they didn't start out being abductees or even believing in it but once you start

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looking at enough data you start have to conclude that there's something going on now it doesn't doesn't mean it has to be extraterrestrials could be Time

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Travelers it could be some sort of weird uh Quantum phenomenon where you've got like parallel timelines and there's bleed throughs going on there could be

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that you know it could be um some sort of interdimensional thing um and and these things are not mutually exclusive

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it could actually be a big spectrum of all these things that are going on so yeah I mean the problem I guess is that

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you there's so many things going on without a lot of evidence for some of these more I'm going to call it esoteric

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Concepts but they're they're grounded in in pure physics like like time travel for example it's like without more

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understanding of like data what's happening how can we say whether or not there's a Multiverse or if we're in some

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kind of deterministic timeline you just you can't tell un you have more data but I love that you brought up the example

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of there's this guy that you know started looking through the history wasn't a UFO person I like that because that's the same thing that happened to

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me is that I'm somebody that recently got into this topic I said what's going

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on with this I saw these crazy videos let me learn everything about the lore history of everything I learned I always

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tell people there's three things you need to know electrical engineering you need to understand physics and then you need to understand history if you

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understand those three things you will understand the whole nature of how anti-gravity technology and free Energy

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Technologies have been kept hidden from us and the history is all out there like even and we'll talk more about some of

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these scientific papers because I want to get your opinion on some of this stuff is um the scientific papers have

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been out there forever too I think that when you mentioned Maxwell as well you'll find that almost everybody

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discusses Maxwell and they say look at Maxwell's equations this is when we like

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really took the next step up uh and then I love the idea too that I've always

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loved this idea of Roswell leading to some kind of technological boom especially with transistors I actually

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looked into transistors and like the history of this like five or six years ago when I was first digging into it

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going like man did we really like find some alien technology and then just like

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give it to some University professor and then say that they invented it you know like it's plausible it's it's not out of

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the realm of uh plausibility let me ask you a question on the UFO thing about Roswell specifically Tucker Carlson was

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talking to Clayton Morris and redacted last week actually just a few days ago and he brought up this narrative that

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I've heard a lot I like to shoot down narratives and explain narratives for people that aren't as deep into this as you and I are and Tucker Carlson said

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well if these aliens flew from another galaxy or another star system or

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whatever and they have this advanced technology how can they crash shouldn't they just be Invincible I hear this all

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the time from people so go ahead give me your debunk of the how do UFOs crash

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that's me doing the air quotes yeah uh argument yeah so there's really only two explanations that I can think of one is

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that it was intentionally crashed to serve as a trojan horse to give us a gift of technology that would end up

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being like a poison pill that creates this uh this this hell world that we're moving into or we on the verge of moving

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into we still could that's one and the other is that they were shot down

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by technology that humans had that was more advanced than we assume right because what we typically hear is oh

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during WW well they're testing what was it like like like microwave Radars or something and that destabilized their

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energy field and therefore the ship crashed maybe maybe they weren't expecting that and therefore they didn't have a a countermeasure to it um or or

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it wasn't even a microwave laser Maybe it was something that um they I mean

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they probably already knew about the non-human Tech presence on Earth for a while maybe maybe even a couple decades

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because if you think about it there was that uh the suppos it crashed in crash in Italy in the 19 was the 20s or 30s

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there's some rumors about that and the Nazis had their own thing already by that by that point so by the time Roswell happened there already was a

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black program I mean the Manhattan Project was already happening years before that right so advanced technology was already being worked on and of

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course it was weaponized so they probably used it on that so that's another potential explanation and the thing is no to to to come here from

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another world even if they do maybe they're Time Travelers maybe they're From Another Dimension to do that does not require invincibility it just

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requires knowledge of key science and key physics you know it's like it's like

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if you don't have the combination lock to a a massive Vault how much effort do

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you need to get to those Vault doors a ton right I mean I don't know you get like laser cut it or something try to try to get through there but if you know

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the combination you just and you're through the door so the same thing with these these sciences that we're talking about if you go down that path you got

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the easy path towards magical abilities it's not so so the problem is nowadays

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um if you don't know any better you would think that okay well the only way to time travel the only way to to do these fantastic things is either through

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well basically through general relativity right so you have to these giant massive spinning cylinders a warp

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space and time and for us to build that is impossible right now there's no way we could build something that massive that spins that fast and and warps space

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and time but that's because you're trying to use uh the the the handicapped version of science to do it if you know

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for example the relation between an electric field and a gravitational field hey well there you go you just have to

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pump up the electric field and you alter space and time and voila right you got it so that's what the Nazis were doing I

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think that's what Black Ops are doing and that's probably what some of these alien things are doing they've got a different kind of science than what the

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public has and therefore it's way easier for them to do that than for us to imagine using our intentionally

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handicapped public science yeah and I I would say that it's you're right I would

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also say that it's even easier than that is that you know just because you've developed this technology doesn't mean

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you're Invincible that was your I think your strongest argument there it's like okay well I've got this awesome iPhone that's more powerful than any computer

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from the 1980s but if I put this in a cup of water it's going to be destroyed in a few minutes you know so everything

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has vulnerabilities and personally my opinion I hadn't actually heard that it was like de there's possibility of decoy

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crashes or what have you that's certainly possible too but you know if it's got everything's got a weakness

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just like Superman's weakness is Kryptonite so if these things are surfing on gravitational waves then

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theoretically if I shoot a scaler potential or a gravitational wave at it or create a gravitational disturbance

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around it it's like pushing somebody off the surfboard while they're riding on the wave you know they're gonna fall off

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in my opinion yeah that's great that's a great metaphor because it's not magic that they're using they're using technology

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it's not they don't have the infinity stone they're not just Invincible they just realize that there's uh some

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extended electrodynamics that we don't currently accept now this I think goes

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to my next Point really well which is I always assumed and I've researched a lot

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in the last year since we spoke that if there is some suppressed science that's out there that related to UFO technology

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it's going to be out there to be found it's not going to be like hidden in a vault in the Vatican or whatever like

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people will have been writing about it writing theories about it and I think I found it so I guess my

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first question that I'm going to ask you I just realized is you believe UFOs are real I think we

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can just assume that UFOs are real this is a UFO what is the energy source for this

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UFO like recently we've been talking about there's these UFOs in New Jersey some of them are clearly just planes but

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let's just assume that some of these are UFOs and they're floating around in the sky for over a day straight and they're

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just hovering there in your opinion Tom what could be the energy source that

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allows this to be possible right so if you if you ask me uh let's say we have a shadow military anti-gravity craft

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that's there and it's staying in the sky for days and if you ask me what is its

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power source that would be easier to talk about because then we are strictly operating within the realm of hard

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science even if it is fringe science okay we're still operating with in the realm of science uh not to get too far off topic but once we start talking

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about potential aliens or non-human intelligences nhis when we started talking about that um so earlier

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remember you mentioned what was like science electrical engineering and and history if you know those three things you can figure out a lot of this those

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those are the three those are like three legs of a table that's the minimum minimum you need to have stable table

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right but you can have four legs you can have five six legs so what are those other legs well in my opinion some of those other legs might include occultism

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mysticism right stuff involving sigh Powers subtle subtle energies etheric

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energy so when we talk about The Ether we're not just talking about Zero Point Energy vacuum Fields we're talking about

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something that's even more fundamental than that that ties into it and that gets more into the realm of Consciousness so when people astral

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project or they got near-death experiences or they experienced telepathy or synchronicity or all these things it's still not magic however it's

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not exactly hard science anymore either because for example take a synchronicity okay when you get a synch it if you get

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enough of them you start realizing well wait a minute reality cannot be this cold deterministic machine that the

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university physicists tell us that it is there's something more going on it's it almost acts more like a collective dream

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with waking dream symbols that communicate something you know meaningful to you symbolic and when it

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comes to symbolism and symbolic meaning like meaning like the meaning of something that's no longer mathematical

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you can't really map that out using variables because it's not mechanical it is um

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numinous it is it is involving meaning it's semantic okay so so it's it's a

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different field of of Dynamics than physics so in my personal opinion not to

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jump too far ahead but I think that reality actually does consist of two parts one part is the programmed physics

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like side of it the deterministic mathematical geometrical stuff everything that you and I were have been

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talking about so far that's what that is and you can study it you can engineer it you can apply it however there is

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another component which deals more with like you could call like the right brain of the Matrix or whatever you want to call it it's where it's more symbolic

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more meaningful um non- mathematical non necessarily geometric okay and that's

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also a component of reality and the reason why I bring this up is because it seems to me that um after a civilization

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Masters physical technology the only thing left to master really is consciousness itself and these subtle

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energy fields that are almost like the the underlying HTML code or machine code of reality so if you run a physics

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simulation program on your computer hey all the physics are there right it's it's hard physics you can simulate this you can simulate magnetic fields

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electric fields and all the math works out but guess what the entire thing is running on machine code which isn't even

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physics it's just it's software it's programming yeah so I do think that perhaps reality has a similar Dynamic

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going on where you have the actual physics but it's all programmed and if you know the programming sure you can you can work within that physics you can

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um engineer things you know make a you can program something to fly around and so I think that some of these non-human

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intelligences some of them are only operating within the physics realm and that includes a lot of these shadow

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military projects they're they're using fringe science to do it okay and that's that's totally fine however that other

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component of reality some of these NH eyes they probably have Mastery over Consciousness and the underlying Matrix

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code to such an extent that they can probably reprogram physics itself directly from from the root source code

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in order to hover or Le levitate or you know t or something like that and if you don't have that conscious ability well

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guess what you're stuck using regular physics and that's what these shadow military groups have and that's probably what some of these um less less Advanced

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alien groups also have all right so so once again going back to your question you ask me what makes it hover I think

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in some in some cases it is probably I don't want to call it magic but it is uh it's it's a little bit

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beyond physics you could call it quantum Consciousness reprogramming of etheric energy fields or something like that

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that's the one thing and then the other thing that's that's more like the hard science and that's what we can talk about more because that's mappable

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that's what you can write scientific papers about you know and so as far as like energy sources go and obviously it

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has to be the Zero Point Energy field it has to be that clearly right I waited that whole time just to hear the final

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thing that I wanted to hear the Zero Point Energy field the only thing I would disagree with you on is that I think it all is real hard physics I

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think we're just not ready to the point to accept some of it I think that the logical conclusion if there is a z point

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energy field filled with energy that's out there and ether etheric energy you mentioned I actually love that term

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etheric energy to me that's what Consciousness is coming from I mean it just like there's not there's not that

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much stuff out there so to me it's like if there's this energy field that we don't see but it's always there

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omnipresent everywhere around us everywhere in the entire universe I mean there's got to be a connection there it

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seems like it's unavoidable and then this is what I would say to you you you mentioned a lot about simulation Theory

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Etc so do you believe in the holographic principle and do you want to explain that concept to people just briefly yeah

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so there's different um there's different versions of the holographic principle like on on the one hand you

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have Leonard susin and he wrote a book about the well he wrote some papers about the holographic theory of reality

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but he's talking more about um basically a fourth-dimensional black hole that we exist on the surface of and so just as

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you can have a two-dimensional sheet of photographic film that has a holographic image and printed onto it and looks

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threedimensional even though it's a two- dimensional sheet well our 3D SpaceTime with the dimension of time added to it

28:04

which is fourth Dimensions could actually be embedded in a higher space but it's actually like the flat plane within that higher space and we're just

28:09

Holograms within that and I think there is truth to that um

28:15

but that's still 100 that's still mostly a physical model so there might still I think in my opinion there there still

28:21

could be a Consciousness component to some extent however I do think that the more science advances and the more

28:27

metaphysics advances the more they converge upon a single true unified science so so it's it's a matter of

28:34

semantics and philosophy you know if if you're saying that it's all science and I'm saying oh no it's partly metaphysics it's actually more of a semantic issue

28:40

than an actual factual issue you know what we call this how do we call it yeah yeah I mean it's my view is like okay

28:47

well if there is this ether and and just like you said I fully believe the holographic principle you did a great

28:52

job of explaining it in my opinion which is just this idea that on this extra Dimension we're all maybe even one point

28:58

the idea of like the one electron Theory and therefore everything is right next to each other which means the distance

29:05

as we perceive it's just a projection an illusion that we perceive and that that opens the door to a lot of stuff that's

29:12

considered esoteric like remote viewing I think the idea of Consciousness and what even is life maybe we're all the

29:18

same person a lot of that so I just find those theories to be quite um elegant

29:23

and I find that physics theories that are elegant usually have the most Merit generally a lot of the stuff really is

29:29

more simple than what people expect yeah yeah and and you know what what people have to keep in mind is with the holographic principle that's pretty much

29:35

what quantum physics is when they talk about wave functions wave functions are patterns of amplitude and phase in space

29:43

and if the conscious Observer interacts with it oh a single particle appears or a system an atom whatever it appears

29:49

well that's how a hologram works it's it's a collection of amplitude and phase that's distributed over space and when

29:54

you shine a laser into it it kind of decodes it it gets modulated by it and it generates a seemingly threedimensional object that isn't

30:01

actually truly there it's all informational so quantum physics and holographic Theory I think they're it's

30:06

basically the same thing everything being informational really opens the door to a lot of stuff especially just

30:12

the idea of teleportation because it's like now what even am I if I'm just a

30:18

group of information then that information can go through a wormhole like Leonard susin would argue there's

30:25

another theory that I don't know if you watched my salvator P interview he's I

30:30

think been alluding to this concept that I just was listening to uh Nim herine

30:36

talk to danap Patrick about this idea that inside each proton is a tiny black

30:42

hole have you heard that at all what are your thoughts on that yeah I think it makes sense I was thinking about this earlier tonight because I was thinking

30:48

about I was thinking about gravity as an ether flow you know and see see the

30:54

problem is a lot of people think about gravity as imagine you got the Earth okay Earth is a a SPID okay and they

30:59

imagine gravity being an ether flow coming in from other you know radial spatial directions and pushing pushing

31:06

objects into it okay and that might be true but it doesn't have to be that not if we consider it from a fifth

31:11

dimensional perspective where perhaps instead of ether flowing in to it um

31:16

it's more like at each height above the ground you know okay there's a different

31:22

ether flow into time into a Fifth Dimension so it might actually be flow perpendicular to what what we perceive

31:28

as space and there's different flow rates depending on the gravitational potential so the closer you are to the

31:33

ground the the faster it flows or the slower it flows depending on how you how you view it so um yeah so I do think

31:40

that that ether flow relates to time in some way and also to to gravity for sure yeah I mean

31:49

isn't it just simpler than that it's just matter of energy density right the more energy density in a region you're

31:56

going to have you're going to create a flow so if you have less energy density region in in this space right here than

32:01

you have in this space I expect there to be a flow where things are moving towards that just like it's just thermodynamics just hot moves to cold

32:08

right so less right and that might actually be so so basically you can have let's say two points this this one here

32:16

in the frame so this one here it might actually be flowing quickly through time and this one here it might be flowing

32:22

slowly Through Time Into The Fifth Dimension into the fourth dimension um but if there's a difference between them

32:27

then there could be a transfer through space as well not just time and so then to our eyes we see an actual flow you

32:33

know from along the x axis or Y axis or z-axis whatever even though the flow is going from a point to another point

32:39

where each of these points are flowing into the fourth or fifth dimension at their own different rates you know so

32:44

we're talking about a uh fourth or fifth dimensional space of ether and flows

32:50

that that happen within that so it's almost like some sort of a hyperdimensional fluid dynamics situation I think and I think some of

32:56

that is needed to explain physics phenomena that a simple oh you know everything flowing into a ball might not

33:02

necessarily always account for so you think the the black whole idea at the center of the protons somehow feeds into

33:09

that theory is that what you believe yeah I think so because um the center of any mass is where all the gravity is

33:14

pointing towards right so if gravity is a kind of flow you would think that well it has to go somewhere so what if there

33:20

is an actual spatial flow so if if all this ether is Flowing down and down into the center of every single mass then

33:27

where does it go it reaches at it has to go through a higher Dimension and then back out into regions of no matter you

33:34

know into into other other positions in in in the universe and actually Paul Violet Paul of violet one of his

33:41

theories is that when you have um a Galaxy here and a and a Galaxy there

33:46

when you got two galaxies that space in between them actually has a positive gravitational potential it's not zero it

33:52

actually bows out a little bit so there's actually uh it's equivalent to negative mass or negative energy so you get this POS POS gravitational potential

33:59

bump in between two gravity Wells okay so because by physics convention

34:05

whenever you have a mass the closer you get to the mass the more negative the gravitational potential becomes um but

34:11

uh in between large groups in groupings of masses there's actually a positive gravitational potential so maybe that

34:17

positive corresponds to where the energy that flows into these black holes inside protons or whatever um is reemitted out

34:24

from a higher Dimension into the vacuum of space into the Zero Point Energy field somehow and that creates like a

34:30

positive gravitational potential but um so I'm I'm just I'm just talking about a flow Loop that has to go through higher

34:37

dimension in order to account for where The Ether flow even goes that's so do you think then in that model that energy

34:43

is like a cyclical system much like the water table on Earth where energy is coming from The Ether and going back to

34:50

the ether eventually yeah that's yeah that's very possible um I will say that even within mainstream physics it is

34:57

well well known that energy involves cycling of something something on a

35:02

Quantum level is cycling and that is what energy is and actually the cycling in within quantum physics they would

35:08

call this Quantum phase so the quantum phase value is cycling like a clock it's spinning like a clock it's going from 0

35:14

to 360 Degrees you know 0 360 degrees and it's spinning round and round and round and the faster it spins the more

35:20

energy is present at that point so when you talk about energy density energy density is equivalent to um the density

35:27

of faster cycling rates okay so that's what energy is it deals with cycling through

35:33

time getting through time but but momentum momentum within physics that has to do with cycling through space so

35:40

when you get a spatial wave Quantum wave traced down in space that corresponds to momentum but if it traces out through

35:45

time as a kind of oscillation that has to do with energy so energy and momentum they're two sides of the same coin and they have to do with the cycling of

35:52

something something they don't know exactly what it is but uh they they they think it's um actually they don't know

35:58

what it is they just call it quantum phase and they say oh it spins this way through space and this way through time and that's that's energy and that's

36:03

momentum and that that so you know it's it's kind of self-referential how they describe reality like they don't really know what work is or energy or force or

36:10

gravity they explain everything in terms of everything else and they assign terms to it and and they they don't ever go to

36:15

asking the fundamental questions like what actually is energy what actually is time what is gravity they don't because

36:21

they can't that's my favorite it's like it's like Nicola Tesla Nicola Tesla invented alternating current Nicola

36:26

Tesla was a real person by the way guys I used to think he was a myth all he figured out was that if you take a

36:31

copper wire and spin it through a magnetic field current begins to flow no

36:36

people say like oh well you're just converting the kinetic energy into electrical energy what the hell does

36:42

that mean like is what's the conversion rate like what what are you talking about there is that so if a wind is

36:48

spinning a turbine is the wind converting into electrical energy that it's not is it really converting like

36:55

from a conceptual perspective it it makes you say well whatever energy I did here I'm going to get energy out of it

37:02

but from a broader philosophical perspective it doesn't really make any sense you realize that what's really

37:08

happening in alternating current is that time is moving forward and time is

37:13

causing the coil to be flipped and that's causing the current to flow it's

37:18

crazy to me that the most fundamental question there is has not really ever been answered which is where is energy

37:26

even coming from where's the energy these lights right here coming from you know so where do you think so you think

37:31

then that the energy must be coming from The Ether do you think all energies coming from there in a in a way in a way

37:38

I think it's coming from time but time in a way is synonymous with ether like uh what's his name kazer the Russian

37:45

researcher he was used researching etheric energy you know entropy time and

37:51

gravity and he related all those to each other you know he said that they're all part of the same system the same complex

37:56

but I I do think that etheric energy or energy in general does involve um motion

38:02

through the Hologram you could call it some sort of hologram so so imagine you know it's like like with um animation

38:07

the old the old school the old school animation we got different slides and you and you take a picture of each one right and you do that the flip yeah yeah

38:15

so you can take all those slides or those all those those sheets and lay them out spatially and you've got yourself a spatial pattern but when you

38:21

play them through time now you've got motion and you call this motion kinetic energy right but really it's a spal

38:27

pattern that's become animated so time and space you know time and space they are at right angles they're orthogonal

38:32

you know but but you know they're they're two sides of the same coin and that you can be in between one you can be more of one or the other and largely

38:39

it depends on perspective right so if you have if you have an electron and it's stationary relative to you it's got

38:46

an electric field around it and it's 100% electric but if you move past it all of a sudden part of that field

38:51

becomes magnetic to you so you know or if you take a magnet or a magnetic field

38:57

and you move in a certain way then part of it becomes electric so there are things within physics quantum physics

39:03

where if you look at it from the Viewpoint of space time fourth dimension the fourth dimensional field where

39:09

you've got space here you got time here that entire thing you've got these static patterns on here static patterns

39:15

but when you yourself as the Observer move through time then it actually animates as motion or electricity

39:20

converting into magnetism whatever in other words there are deeper Dynamics going on that explain physics but the

39:25

thing is even if you ask a physicist well then why does that happen Okay well then why does that happen and so on you

39:31

keep drilling down at some point they're just going to go they're going to throw their hands up they're like I don't know I don't know I've reached the limits of

39:36

my language of my conception of my assumptions I can't go any further and at that point it becomes a philosophical

39:42

speculation as to what's actually going on but yeah it's it's wrong it's wrong to say that physics is an explanation of

39:48

reality it's not it's it's it's a hypothesis it's a model of reality it's it's an approximation yeah yeah physics

39:54

is the model uh engineering is the Practical experimentation and the observation you know so we should be

40:01

looking at Engineers to show us what's possible and then physicist to show us

40:07

to explain how it's how it is possible but for some reason it feels like it's the opposite let me ask you with Zero

40:14

Point Energy have you read are you familiar with how pof's work yeah yeah the Legend um because it feels like I

40:21

looked at his papers since we last spoke and to all the questions you just brought up about well is this Zero Point

40:28

Energy this ether explaining gravity mass inertia his papers say yes it

40:34

explains all of these things it's not just him but he also wrote some papers with Bernard H and and Ruda as well and

40:43

and some of them wrote papers by themselves it's clear these guys all know each other so the crazy part is

40:48

their papers go back to the 80s the first one from halapa was 1987 which was

40:54

the ground state of the hydrogen atom and he asked the question why is the

40:59

hydrogen atom not radiate energy at rest and you that it seems kind of

41:04

counterintuitive at first because you think oh it's at rest it's not supposed to radiate energy but then from the quantum mechanic perspective we look at

41:10

it we realize that nothing's ever really at rest from the quantum mechanic perspective if you were to take a pendulum uh in quantum mechanics it

41:18

never stops even you know we look at something it looks like it's stopped but it's never really stopped so the

41:24

conclusion he came to is that well it must be Interac in with a field of energy where it's gaining energy and

41:30

losing energy at the same rate in equilibrium and that's why it doesn't appear to be radiated energy he followed

41:36

it up two years later and wrote what I think is probably going to end up being a legendary paper in history which is uh

41:44

gravity is a zero point fluctuation Force where he's basically saying that the relative energy densities that are

41:51

out there create this pressure that we know of as gravity which was basically what you just explained a second AG go

41:58

regarding this etheric flow yeah you know he just says it's a matter of relative energy densities which that was

42:03

me just kind of stealing his arguments um and then it was uh Haitian Ruda later

42:09

on that came up and said well this also explains inertia like why do we feel

42:14

resistance when we're moving even through outer space where there's no gravity why do I feel resistance well

42:21

the answer is because you're moving through this field like you would say with the Hologram it's like you're

42:26

moving through through the Hologram and when you do that this is we feel this this resistance is there and if you were

42:32

to remove that zero point field then you're not going to feel that resistance anymore yeah they also said that this

42:38

zero point field is what gives us Mass it's the reason why we have mass at all otherwise we would have no Mass what do

42:45

you think about howp off you think that those theories are sound I mean this guy is connected to the UFO Topic in a way

42:53

that I never could have anticipated yeah you know yeah so I I I like a lot of what he's

42:59

written um but I'm I'm also equally suspicious because someone who's that well-connected and that smart is also

43:04

capable of putting out BS to throw people off track so I'm careful I'm careful when I read of stuff I'm like yes this makes sense but I'm gonna

43:11

Reserve just a little bit of salt just just to make sure you know just to make sure that I don't swallow it fully and I mean the same goes with with anyone else

43:18

that that's involved in in the higher level stuff that have secret connections you know they they could be running interference for black programs by

43:24

throwing people off track they could be um but but it's up to us to to understand it and to see if that is a

43:30

case or not I mean it's not a good idea to to have a planket suspicion and just not believe anything if you're not if

43:36

you're not going to believe something if you're gonna have suspicion about it explain why like find out why what is off about it and if you can't find

43:41

anything then hey guess what it checks out so so that that's how I've been with um Hal Poff and I mean I like that he is

43:50

uh he's open-minded enough to explore things like the vector potential and the scalar potential the force-free version

43:56

of those that don't lead to Magnetic and electric Fields the stuff that I talked about in my last podcast with you so he

44:02

does talk about that and he talked about it decades ago you know so he's one of those one of those guys it was him I mean there's others like Tom Bearden

44:08

who's you know talked ad nauseum about that sort of thing so it's a thing that

44:13

keeps popping up but it never really broaches into the mainstream for for good reason you know because because Academia is sort of a it's it's gate

44:20

gatekeep you know it's gatekeep so there's there's really no way to to penetrate it but um have you seen his

44:25

patent by any by are you yeah the yeah the the vector potential communication system is that the one you're talking about oh wait let

44:32

me yeah this one right here so I'm just going to read it for the people listening just called first of all just called communication system if you're

44:39

trying so you know I agree with you you have we have to be skeptical and we should be judging arguments based on

44:44

their merits also not based on if somebody did remote viewing in the 70s or whatever crap too but when someone's

44:51

putting disinformation out there I don't think they usually call their their patent something really vague like Communications system like what and so

44:59

then you read it and I want to get your take on this i' I've said my take many times but a communication system using

45:05

vector and scalar potential is disclosed the system uses for field-free potentials like you just said signaling

45:12

for many applications where the absence of shielding effects in seawater plasma

45:18

or other dense media due to the fact that the absence of the electric and magnetic fields eliminates the

45:24

possibility of induced charge and current response to the media being transited so real quick before I let you

45:30

jump in here is that when I read that it says we're using field potentials that

45:36

have no electric and magnetic field like the a inhoff b effect transmitting a scalar potential Through The Ether

45:43

through the Z point energy field and we're doing it because electromagnetic

45:48

fields are blocked by seawater and plasma which to me says this is a communication device for communicating

45:55

with a submarine or communicating with the Sun or something some plasma ball right last thing I'll say is that this

46:02

patent is not just one there's five different patents with different patent numbers all are the exact same thing and

46:10

they date all the way back to 1993 yep and I found a news article

46:15

about this patent and the mainstream academics were up in arms about it they

46:22

were incessed over the fact that this patent had been approved they claimed that it was pseudo science and that the

46:30

patent officer must not have known what they were talking about to approve this patent but we can see it's been approved four other their times since then most

46:37

recently in 2021 so what is your thoughts on this pad I know I think it's legit I mean it's just uh it just uses

46:44

an expanded version of Maxwell's equations really I mean that's that's all it is because so the the Maxwell

46:49

equations that we know nowadays what they are is they relate uh electric charge to Electric Fields uh electric

46:55

fields to magnetic fields when they're both in and so on so they relate one electromagnetic thing to another okay um

47:01

but the thing is to get to that form they to cut out a lot of other things that were implied but they were like

47:07

well that stuff isn't physical so let's just set it to zero or make them cancel each other out so we don't have to worry about that stuff you know it's all

47:13

imaginary anyway we can't measure we can't prove it it's it's it does doesn't matter so let's only focus on this little part and that became the four

47:20

Maxwell's equations and that's what's taught to every physics and electrical engineering student nowadays in in

47:25

college okay and then they take it for granted you know to them it's like the Ten Commandments they don't question it they just follow it okay and and so when

47:32

you when you tell them that hey you know what you're taught is false or it's incomplete they're like oh my God that's

47:38

blasphemy right so so the a lot of these scientists you know they're they're criticizing religion for not being rigorous but they themselves act like

47:44

priests you know they act like Pharisees or something so anyway um point is if

47:49

you expand Maxwell's equations and you don't use What's called the kulum gauge or the Laurence gauge if you don't use

47:56

those things which is just those are those are ways of setting the Divergence of the uh magnetic Vector potential to

48:01

zero okay that that's called the cool and gauge or setting it to be the opposite of the partial time derivative

48:07

of the uh voltage with respect to time either way either you either cancel the

48:13

scalar effects out or you set them both to zero and you're only left with ordinary non-scalar physics and that's what electrom magnetic theory is

48:19

nowadays so anyway if you don't do that and you leave those things intact and you leave them alone and you incorporate those scaler things then what you

48:26

realize is well wait a minute I can create fields that don't have an electric field associated with it or a magnetic field associated with it all

48:33

you have is a more deeper fundamental Vector potential and scalar potential that normally give rise to those other

48:39

fields those main fields that we know um but in this case you're not you're not giving rise to them you're just leaving

48:44

them alone and having them be uh what they are so I sort of got into this in my last

48:50

interview with you where I talked about how the electric scalar potential when there's a gradient in it because

48:55

remember earlier you're talking about you got like a like a difference in thing you got a flow between it yeah well the same same thing if you got one

49:01

voltage here and you got like a lower voltage there then you have a gradient in between them and that gradient

49:06

creates an electric force field so you can effect right yeah yeah yeah yeah so the electric force field you can think

49:12

of it as a kind of accelerating ether flow you know between a positive charge and a negative charge that's it's an

49:18

asymmetry in a dipole too right any situation where you've got more charge on one side than you've got on the other

49:24

side yeah well yeah yeah yes yes and also if you have a dipole

49:29

where you got like positive charge and a negative charge if so imagine one is like a like a leaf lower and the other one's like a vacuum cleaner right so

49:35

one's one's blowing and the other one is sucking in air if you mount them on a stick and just leave them alone they're actually going to move through the air

49:41

because it creates like a flow around the entire thing like a like a smoke ring like a solenoid and smoke ring

49:48

travels through the air because it's sort of like like like swimming its way through the air that's that's what a smoke ring does that's why smoke rings

49:54

are doing that in a way I realiz there's lot more to smoke rings than what people

49:59

have assumed like there's an specific reason for why smoke rings form the way that they do and the fractal nature of

50:05

when they kind of fall apart as well oh yeah and you saw videos right you probably showed it to your audience

50:10

where smoke rings Collide yeah it's super cool watch them Collide and then they have this like 90 degree like where

50:17

they make a smaller fractal version of themselves and it's consistent every single time um what I wanted to ask on

50:25

uh the Thomas Townson Brown actually um let's go I want to actually change gears

50:33

here for a second actually I want to ask you before I forget and then I want to jump in and show you a video what did

50:39

you think about the UFO hearing so given all this information this knowledge about science your understanding of this

50:47

technology uh your research into it your research into the alien phenomenon non-human intelligence what do you think

50:53

about that hearing I think it's uh I think it's it's a token gesture towards the idea of

51:00

disclosure because if they really wanted to if they really wanted disclosure they could do it you know they probably could

51:06

but the thing is they they they put it out there in these little crumbs to so these people that are giving

51:14

testimonies right they can only say so much before they start running into National Security issues and and and

51:19

ndas that they've signed and that's why they're always like well I could tell you about this but no I'll tell you about it in a skiff because you know a

51:25

secured thing and then when they finally get into the skiff they they they give them some BS and then when they come out of it people ask well what did you say

51:32

in the skiff and then well we can't talk about it because it's it's you know it's classified so so the Congress people

51:37

they get blocked and these people testifying they can only say so much even in a skiff you know so it's

51:44

ultimately I think it's it's a clown show I think it's so so on the one hand it does add an air of credibility to the

51:50

UFO subject like oh there's people in uniform talking about what they've seen and I guess for the normies or the

51:56

people that are getting into euphology for the first time it's good for them like it introduces them it softens them

52:01

softens them up to the idea that hey there's really something going on so that's good yeah but but for like the seasoned euphology researchers we're

52:08

like oh my God this is so Elementary like why are you not going where you

52:13

should be going okay but but you know to their credit they are going further than they ever have before like all these

52:18

other prior UFO flaps and stuff going back decades and decades yeah yeah it's um it's more but then again I mean you

52:24

think about like Steven Greer and the disclosure project in the early 2000s he's beenades yeah yeah some of those

52:31

witnesses that came on and talked about things that's Way Beyond even what's going on currently in these Congressional things but then again the

52:36

current Congressional thing is more official because back then it was more like some oh okay just get some publicity put them in in Congress and

52:43

and have have a big appearance of it but nowadays it's a little bit more has more teeth nowadays but but still not fully

52:49

there what do you think the national security issue is that they can't talk about I by the way I totally agree with

52:54

you that the big issue with a lot of these guys I don't think they're necessarily dishonest people but they've just run into competing incentives where

53:01

they now have ndas they can't speak about stuff they would literally go to prison over it yeah what do you think they're hiding um couple things one

53:09

advanced technology including admitting to what degree they themselves have some of that advanced technology because the

53:15

thing is if there have been crash retrievals as David gush and all these others have been talking about there are crash retrievals well who retrieved it

53:22

Shadow military the secret government they've been using it and so therefore if they've been using it have they developed some of that technology and

53:28

the answer is yes and the next question is what have they been doing with that technology what about these military

53:33

abductions I use portal technology and for mind control purposes and sexual you know trafficking purposes and so on WE

53:40

gun running and all that well it leads also to a lot of liability because they they used it to get up to a lot of no

53:47

good you know a lot of illegal things and not to mention not to mention and I'm not the first one to point this out

53:52

others have pointed it out that if you have one company like Lockheed Martin or something that gets access to this dech

53:58

but then another group like I don't know um Boeing or something did not get access because they weren't in with the

54:03

crowd well in locked barttin they've get over the years they get billions and billions and billions of dollars of profits from that whereas the other ones

54:10

might have to shutter their doors because they didn't right so if that truth were to come out about what really happened they would have grounds to sue

54:17

based on you know this this this preferential treatment so there there's a huge huge huge liability uh risk to

54:25

any of this coming out to all the people that were up to no good in in this field you got that you got um also just a fact

54:30

that the whole like ontological shock to humanity it's not just the existence of

54:35

aliens that's the issue it is what they have been doing potentially in collusion with certain Black Ops groups illegal

54:42

stuff stuff that is just inhuman and if that were to come out um yeah it would it would it would rock a lot of people's

54:47

worlds and also The Economic Consequences like free energy anti-gravity and all that would it would wreck it would wreck most of the economy

54:54

right now you know maybe for good in the long run but in the short term yeah it would get really ugly I was actually going to ask you

55:01

like or I was going to bring up the question about the Civil liability because yes the criminal liability is one big as that's the flashy aspect like

55:08

who have they been killing silencing yeah quieting these free energy engineers and stuff like that but

55:14

there's a less nefarious side of it too which is the Civil liability which is that oh maybe it's not just the

55:20

government and the military with this technology what if it's the defense contractors and what if we gave locki Martin this technology like 50 years ago

55:29

now we're in a sea of crap where it's like how do we get out of this without

55:34

you know and there's people who are accountable and responsible for a lot of this stuff that happened like the the

55:41

amount of legal issues are just huge and then the bigger thing too I love that you didn't bring up aliens at all even

55:47

though you're somebody that absolutely I think believes that aliens are there's alien phenomenon Happening Here is that

55:53

you look at it and you realize that aliens aren't national security issue of course I mean at a higher political

55:59

level it's a it's a political issue that you have to deal with but unless they're threatening to destroy our country it's

56:05

not really a national security issue the national security issue is the impact of

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the technology like you pointed out like what would free energy do to our society

56:16

potentially would change everything if we could leave the planet and go through a portal to Mars or Andromeda or

56:22

somewhere like what does that do to our civilization and those are the positive

56:28

outlooks there's people as well and I want to get your thoughts on this which is s uh pise in a statement that he made

56:37

and then also in the interview I did with him as well really alluded to this idea that we've been developing

56:44

technology to basically fight back against non-human intelligence using a form of their technology that we have

56:52

advanced in a way that they won't be prepared for I thought that was a pretty crazy idea but I've learned to not doubt

56:59

the man at this point and it speaks to this idea of a prison planet that

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basically we've been reset or we are being held down and maybe after we reach

57:11

a certain level of technological advancement income the others and reset

57:16

us back down to zero what what is your thoughts on that philosophy that mindset

57:22

yeah so the thing is our technological progress has been it's definitely been accelerating and I think it would like

57:27

as I mentioned earlier it would have still continued even without any help by non-human intelligences okay so I think

57:33

it was still going to accelerate upwards and and the problem is when we get Beyond a certain point we start

57:39

infringing on their asymmetric power Advantage okay and I'm talking about the these these alien civilizations or

57:45

factions or something uh so we become a threat um but at the same time for some

57:51

of these highly efficient predatory factions we also become an opportunity because if we become sufficiently

57:57

technologically advanced and they gain control of us then we are Advanced to run Our Own Prison Planet for them you

58:05

know once we got satellites when we've got chips in our brains and you know cameras everywhere AI monitoring our

58:10

every move and our every thought we lock ourselves down and so we we kind of you know wrap ourselves up in this in this

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this birthday wrapping paper put a bow on it and hand it over to this controlling alien civilization and they

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don't have to lift a finger I mean you know to to be highly intelligent and

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highly efficient and highly predatory that's what that would involve it wouldn't involve like like doing a blitz CRI on a planet and taking it by force

58:34

you would do it through subtle manipulation for possibly over centuries you know manipulating religions belief systems political ideologies I mean for

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all I know Marxism was invented by something non-human to fool humans you know something something smarter has to

58:46

fool humans in order to create something that fools most smart humans and the same thing with like string theory for

58:51

example right String Theory um what was his name Whitten or something like that he the people that came up with it oh

58:58

man they had to be so smart to come up with that theory but if the theory is false and if it is deceptive then they

59:03

have to be even smarter than these these 160 IQ phds that study string theory for

59:09

their entire careers you know what I mean you got to be smarter than the smartest hum yeah yeah so and so so the

59:14

deception system that is in place whether we're talking about archaeology genetics physics you know technology

59:22

engineering it is so well-crafted that to me it seems to me that it would have to have an even higher Superior

59:29

intelligence to craft it to fool our best and brightest for so long you know so that that's another reason why I do

59:35

think that aliens might have had a hand in you know some of this oppression because obviously they would they would also stand to lose from us um developing

59:42

let's say free energy anti-gravity because when we'd be able to go to their territories my we'd become problems for

59:47

them right we become problems for them whereas right now we're we're nicely tucked away on this this little blue

59:53

marble and we're not really a problem and we're really like a we're like a nice fish pond that they can just hey

59:59

come by and take a little fish out when they need to and but once the fish grow legs and start arming themselves with guns and they start you know going on

1:00:05

their lawns and that becomes a problem so that's what scares me though about that is that it yeah like it makes sense

1:00:12

is that you would wait until they've reached a level where they're a threat and then you would just come down and

1:00:18

and wipe them out or if you're smart you don't even need to use Force like you said you just manipulate psychologically

1:00:25

manipulate the the movements of the civilization kind of like in the first Batman Batman Begins movie where the

1:00:32

evil organizations like we used a new weapon economics to take down civilizations and you look at what the

1:00:39

CIA already does and you go they already do these activities Oh yeah yeah the CIA

1:00:45

guy Uh Kevin ship he was just on with Candace Owens he even mentioned the mh37 zero videos and right before he did he

1:00:52

mentioned how the cia's basic motto is like is a a matter of plausible

1:00:59

deniability is like you can they can do anything they want as long as they don't make the government look bad and you

1:01:05

realize something like that is possible and you go well why not non-human intelligence maybe they are manipulating

1:01:11

us behind the scenes from the Shadows like the little Puppet Masters so to speak it even speaks to Plato's Cave you

1:01:18

know the Shadows on the walls instead of seeing the true reality yeah well well you know what um before we move on like

1:01:24

think about this we talk about we we think about the government or the shadow military reverse engineering alien

1:01:30

Technologies right so that that's pretty much accepted within euphology that that sort of things is happening but what

1:01:35

about them reverse engineering uh Alien methods of control psychological control cultural

1:01:42

control you know political maneuvering and so on what if they learned from that as well and are applying it to us maybe

1:01:49

that is part of the basis of why the CIA operates the way it does you know I mean CIA traces back to well to several

1:01:56

things but but also um some of the Nazis that were brought over from World War II and there's a lot there's a lot of

1:02:01

rumors about the Nazis having had interactions with non-human beings to get some of their technology and so on

1:02:07

and that's why they accelerated so quickly between like 1930 and 1940s who knows you know who I mean maybe there's

1:02:13

something uh something to that yeah the Nazi thing is really interesting to me it was something that I wanted to

1:02:18

dismiss as kind of a conspiratorial people are trying to connect dots that don't exist but then you find out about

1:02:23

Operation Paperclip and you find out like Friedberg wiber wiberg is was one of the guys that was brought over when

1:02:30

he was like 15 from a Project Paperclip from Germany and he studied under Warner

1:02:36

Heisenberg like the Heisenberg of Heisenberg's uncertainty principle oh and by the way he also Bel believes in a

1:02:41

plank ether or hypothesis which is basically exactly what we've been talking about and this whole Zero Point

1:02:48

Energy field thing so yeah I've wanted to dismiss it but the more we look back

1:02:53

the further this thing really goes and it does go back to like even the early 1900s which is does make you wonder if

1:03:01

there's something else at play I don't really know where it's coming from but it's interesting well I was listening to an interview recently with uh Eugene

1:03:08

polov you know you know right anyway it was superc conductors by the

1:03:14

way for people that are out there and and and basically was doing the same stuff ning Lee was doing in the 90s of

1:03:19

researching ycb ybc y CBO superconductors for anti-gravity yeah

1:03:25

you guys want to like check out what is the latest Cutting Edge in public publicly accessible anti-gravity I I

1:03:32

would I would Point them to putt clut off because he was he's an experimental physicist so experimental means you're

1:03:39

not just pen on paper you're actually doing it for real and uh he's he's got it like and so he was asked in the

1:03:46

interview how he began or how he discovered this sort of stuff he mentioned I think if I remember

1:03:51

correctly that his dad uh during World War II got access to some of the papers that the Nazi scientists really had

1:03:58

developed yeah some of those patents and papers and you know things like that and so pacov during his early years was

1:04:03

trying to study those trying to reverse engineer it trying to figure out how it worked and then it took him like two three decades and he finally got it so

1:04:09

that's why he was even doing the experiments that he was doing with like rotating superconductors and and other

1:04:15

rotating things because he was trying to uh apply what he reverse engineer from

1:04:20

some of these Nazi Nazi papers about flying anti-gravity ships and so on yeah

1:04:25

yes Spin and magnetism especially super conductivity is uh it's Quantum effect

1:04:31

in the macroscopic scale so it shouldn't be surprising that it's connected to this especially the universe is electric do you know when that interview happened

1:04:38

how long ago it was uh I'm guessing a couple years I'll uh I'll link you yeah send it to me later that sounds great um

1:04:46

now there was an interview that I want to share a couple just a few minutes of the clip uh with you that was on uh

1:04:53

project unity's channel four years ago H so this predates my emergence on the scene of the UFO phenomenon or what have

1:05:00

you and I listen to this and it sort of blew my mind just to set the background

1:05:05

for it it's from somebody who just calls himself Mr X you can hear their voice they don't use a voice change or

1:05:11

anything like that if you know who they are please let me know um and they talk

1:05:16

about the safe fire project and how put off and they talk specifically about

1:05:21

plasma more specifically they talk about exotic vacuum objects which is something that Ken's shoulders discovered in the

1:05:28

late 80s around the same time that pwns and fmen made their announcement of cold

1:05:34

fusion and this guy from listening to this he's clearly in the no this isn't

1:05:39

some random person off the street like he knows these people he knows all the players he's clearly worked with some of

1:05:45

them but he also sounds like a pretty young guy it was a specific part in this

1:05:50

interview a couple parts actually that I thought were just huge moments but one part

1:05:56

I thought you needed to listen to here which was really interesting so let's let's go ahead and play this for

1:06:03

you so here is the video Mr X here's the clip a u paper online called a brief

1:06:10

introduction to scaler physics his name is Thomas mindi um and it's called a brief introduction to scaler physics

1:06:16

it's a great document and he has done a ton of research where um he lays out how

1:06:22

gravity mass inertia even time itself is controlled by the scaler incor potentials um and he has written a very

1:06:30

good paper on this and he has a website at montalk.net m o n k.net and there's a

1:06:37

um section on scaler physics but this guy um has posted a lot of information

1:06:42

and I think he's a genius and he explains us with illustrations and Graphics so that the ordinary person can

1:06:48

comprehend it and you know and one thing a couple more things about the flux line I want I want to mention what's so critical is there's a lot of talk today

1:06:54

in euphology about UFOs require these super Advanced meta materials with Nano

1:07:00

layers yeah um that's not required to build anti-gravity vehicles and I don't think all UFOs had such exotic meta

1:07:08

materials some probably did but I don't think they all did I think the idea that you that we have to master the

1:07:15

production of these exotic meta materials to produce an anti-gravity craft is a flat out L do you think do you think sorry I was just gonna say

1:07:22

okay so first of all wow you just got a little shot out there have you not seen that I didn't know that he did an

1:07:29

interview with you that was that your interview or no that was an interview with with uh okay Unity yeah and this is

1:07:36

again from four years ago and all of a sudden he' been talking he starts talking about scaler fields and he Nam

1:07:42

drops you I think right before that he would started talking about Maxwell's equations as well like everybody seems to has he has he ever reached out to you

1:07:50

no he has not reached out to me I would love if Mr X is out there watching I would love to talk to Mr X and then the

1:07:56

other I let that play for another minute or so because I wanted to get your feedback on that claim this is something

1:08:01

that I've been struggling to reconcile which is when you talk about the energy source is the energy source external

1:08:08

like the Zero Point Energy field or is there some other fuel that they have

1:08:16

that is somehow getting around the limitation of E equals mc² and the

1:08:22

faster you move something the more you know energy it takes what what is your thought on on you know

1:08:28

and this also speaks to Bob Lazar and element 115 what we're really getting down here is is there an element 115 or

1:08:34

you know we you just call it mysterious fuel source or do you think it's just directly coming from the environment the

1:08:41

0 point energy field yeah so personally I don't really believe in the element 115 Theory I mean obviously Element 115

1:08:48

can be produced in the lab and it has been um but I don't think but but I don't think that it's uh something

1:08:53

that's mass reducible and that it plays a role in an anti-gravity ship as as Bob Lazar as Bob Lazar claims you know and

1:09:00

he himself when he claims that stuff I think he was going off of recovered memories because he has some weird memory remember earlier to was talking

1:09:05

about people going to the Black Ops programs and they come out of it and they don't remember what they did during that time when they were in well that's

1:09:11

a common thing and if Bazar is legit then he probably underwent a similar sort of memory wipe procedure and so

1:09:17

therefore anything that he does remember either it's incomplete or it could be a

1:09:22

screen memory that was put there to cover up for the real thing that actually happened possibly I don't know

1:09:27

okay so so I don't know if element 15 115 is a is a real deal but I would say that there are different types of

1:09:35

Technologies for producing similar effects in terms of time warping

1:09:40

propulsion getting free energy there are different methods but they're not an infinite number of different methods

1:09:47

it's you can you can sort of categorize them into okay you're using this principle of physics okay this one uses that principle and they're closely

1:09:52

related but they're slightly different um especially especially when it comes to propulsion like for example the towns

1:09:59

and brown stuff the bill Brown effect that's a different mechanism from what pot ketov was doing with his rotating

1:10:05

superc conductors or rotating magnetic fields they both lead to propulsion right but they're but they're different and Mr X um yeah I'm familiar with um

1:10:14

with that individual he uh he he yeah he's talking about the flux liner the FL the arv the alien reproduction vehicle

1:10:20

flux liner that Mark mandish was talking about yeah that's an interesting thing because if you look at it you see

1:10:25

different components you can sort of start to guess how it works like for example there's a coil around the top and then there's a rotating disc in

1:10:31

there so that's a homopolar generator okay that's what that is and then at the bottom there are these uh these

1:10:38

crystallin capacitor layers you know like in a fann grid array sort of like that and they're probably Bill Brown um

1:10:45

gravitator that's probably what they are so like high voltage gravitator that could be like changed in Direction combined with some sort of a homopolar

1:10:52

thing which I don't know if that was just to generate extremely high currents or if it you know functioned additionally for for its own reasons but

1:10:59

there there's a certain logic behind various propulsion methods and the same also goes for energy I think in some

1:11:05

cases it is definitely tapping it from the Zero Point Energy field just that but here's the problem when you tap it

1:11:12

from the Zero Point Energy field you are changing the Zero Point Energy field in your local region you're you're changing

1:11:19

it you know you're extracting you're converting energy from one domain to another domain and so therefore you know

1:11:24

one domain goes up the other domain goes down and so that can lead to some very weird very weird effects like for

1:11:29

example um one example that comes to mind is a guy named Leon sprink sp sp r

1:11:35

i n k Leon sprink have you ever heard of Leon sprink I don't think so I think he was a he was a chemist I don't know if

1:11:40

he was Russian or French or something but this this is like many many decades ago anyway he he figured out a process

1:11:46

where if you construct a wooden frame and you put electrodes in there at an x

1:11:51

x pattern electrodes and you give it like 150,000 volts you kind of let it run if you let it run for hours if not

1:11:57

days all of a sudden you start getting an expanding field of altered ether you could say where chemical processes would

1:12:04

go way faster than they would normally and so he he used this process in order to speed up um chemical processing of

1:12:11

cement like a cement factory you know when they're making lime or whatever they make for for making cement um he was us able to use this process to alter

1:12:18

The Ether itself in order to alter chemical processes to you know speed up industrial production um yeah yeah but

1:12:25

but the reason why I mentioned that is because his arrangement of electrod electrodes was doing something to The

1:12:30

Ether that was altering it and one of the effects was alteration of chemical processes now there are other

1:12:36

alterations that can happen you can have alterations where the weather itself gets Disturbed and there's a on Rex

1:12:42

research.com there's an article about David David Wells w l LS David Wells

1:12:48

he's a guy who tried to replicate the Newman machine the Newman free energy machine which is like like a big massive

1:12:55

Joseph Newman so Joseph Newman his free energy machine which is a big coil wire with like a rotating magnet on the

1:13:01

inside to generate electricity and according to Newman generated more power out than in and he he almost got it got

1:13:07

it patented but uh basically people working for the Men in Black you know men black and quotes shut it down and

1:13:13

they denied him 70s I think yeah yeah so but but the thing is with with his

1:13:18

device um um David Wells tried to replicate it but he did it differently with like rotating magnets in like a

1:13:23

different kind of coil situation he found that his machine when he turned it on it cut a hole like like a like a not

1:13:29

a hole but a but like a Channel Through the cloud layer in the sky

1:13:34

above yeah consistently you know it would it would open up a hole like wherever the sun was and the Machine was the path in between when a hole would

1:13:41

open up he found that that effect he found that um water bottles in his refrigerator and um beer like in the bar

1:13:48

across the street they would burst because they would freeze at regular Refrigeration temperatures now myself I

1:13:55

did an experiment a couple years ago where I had a rotating aluminum disc and a magnet on it it was for a different

1:14:01

experiment but I was just like like testing Ed current effects and like like magnetic dragging and so on well when I

1:14:07

whenever I did that stuff in the refrigerator would undergo some really really weird changes like water bottles

1:14:13

water bottles that I put in the freezer would not freeze they would become super cooled so they wouldn't freeze they

1:14:18

would stay liquid even at like like um like like was like five degrees above zero know Fahrenheit yeah and um eggs

1:14:26

would explode and like would would freeze and they're above freezing temperature but they would they would you know solidify and they would crack

1:14:32

the shells and just just other weird stuff so there is a kind of energy that

1:14:37

affects the ether that alters the I'm guessing intermolecular forces probably changing the very constants of physics

1:14:44

themselves you know the electric permitivity the magnetic permeability those things can be alter depending on the properties of The Ether itself and

1:14:49

there are methods of altering The Ether and some of those methods happen inadvertently when you try to tap energy

1:14:55

from The Ether so certain free energy devices they're not just spinning out energy they're probably also altering the local etheric conditions which then

1:15:02

affect the physical consonants of physics yeah and this is where I wanted to get into the next clip from the same

1:15:08

Mr X interview so and we're not going to have time to watch it all so I'll just give you and the the viewers kind of the

1:15:14

the framework here is that they talk a lot about exotic vacuum objects exotic vacuum objects are balls of plasma Ken

1:15:21

shoulders discovered from my research uh specifically would say Paul Siz is the number one witness he's now dead died in

1:15:28

2013 he was a Aeronautics engineer he spoke specifically about Hypersonic

1:15:34

vehicles and crafts and they use a plasma sheath and this is how they REM reduce the drag in front of them and

1:15:40

actually it has this propulsive effect to it as well I speculate that we

1:15:45

figured out at some point around when Ken's shoulders was doing his research that we don't need a craft for a spy

1:15:53

plane anymore we can use a ball of energy with some mechanical device in the middle of it to get all the same

1:16:00

effects that we want from our spy plane but we can get it now in a drone and

1:16:06

possibly even using Hal pof's patent which literally says in it that it can communicate through plasma to

1:16:12

communicate and control the Drone and why is this huge well the nature of

1:16:18

these plasmas are that they have an extremely high charge density

1:16:25

extremely high they also have a natural asymmetry we were talking about asymmetries and how it creates this

1:16:32

pressure or with electric field they have a natural asymmetry where electrons are not repelling each other they're not

1:16:38

neutralizing within the plasma like you would expect which to me is like basically an unlimited battery so you've

1:16:44

got this thing that can produce a huge amount of charge relative to its size

1:16:49

it's got these self-organizing and self- sustaining properties meaning that it forms a

1:16:57

Taurus that forms a sphere and then after that it sustains itself so Ken

1:17:05

shoulders called them exotic vacuum objects because he believed they must be cohering energy from the vacuum in order

1:17:11

to be sustainable like this so I bring this up because I think that you may

1:17:17

have some insights into it I don't know how much you know about the plasma stuff I want you to listen to this guy talk about it for a couple minutes I think

1:17:24

that somebody figured out that there's probably several different ways to do it with microwaves RF waves or just being

1:17:30

able to produce some kind of standing wave within the plasma that allows it to become coherent

1:17:36

where now it can just float freely but also what happens is it changes the

1:17:42

permitivity of space the plasma itself being there pushes out to Zero Point

1:17:48

Energy so to really bring this all around why does this connect to Hal Poff because Hal Poff was writing the papers

1:17:53

explaining these concept Concepts and Ken shoulders wrote a paper and by the way he was partners with halol Ken

1:17:59

shoulders wrote a paper called permitivity transitions where he says that basically he realized in

1:18:06

1980 that from a paper by Bergstrom the paper was from 1973 that there really is

1:18:11

an ether and that if there really is an ether and there really is a medium now we can start playing around with the

1:18:17

medium we can play around with the permitivity of free space which changes the speed of light and I think it's

1:18:23

really interesting because based on what you were just talking about with time and you know having these collisions that were happening

1:18:30

more often like you know somehow they were manipulating time with these experiments with these uh this energy

1:18:37

that they were creating with their their uh electrodes is that this is also in my

1:18:42

opinion the answer to cold fusion and fusion in general I don't think hot Fusion is ever going to work I think

1:18:47

that with hot Fusion we were like let's just heat it up and then there'll be more collisions because there's more energy but we should have been thinking

1:18:54

about in terms of time which is if we manipulate the rate of time then we're going to have more collisions and we

1:19:00

don't need temperature for that at all it can be cold this is something where Sal pise has been saying on a lot of

1:19:06

interviews even going back a year ago it's all about cold plasma so before we

1:19:11

watch this clip I would postulate to you to think about and to the audience to think about what if we discovered some

1:19:18

natural phenomenon plasma that has properties that we can't recreate with

1:19:23

metam materials at least not now maybe a civilization that's like a thousand years more advanced than us can do it

1:19:29

but right now we just don't have the material science for it but we found the workaround which is that we can make this ball of plasma and now we can get a

1:19:36

lot of the same magical effects that normally we would have to be like a thousand years more advanced for this is

1:19:42

what the context I want you to have when we listen to this because I think this guy worked with Hal Poff on the safe

1:19:47

fire project and I think the saire project was basically a front for this

1:19:52

Evo Plasma Research so let's play this clip

1:19:57

here it's like two or three minut perfect sense but now if you have the

1:20:03

self-organizing plasma and it's producing an EVO in the central column

1:20:08

um it could develop this um superconducting double layer which would almost be like a layer of electrons that

1:20:16

have formed Cooper Pairs and become superconducting now what's so interesting about that is I believe from

1:20:22

the research I have done that it's a superconducting state which is highly interactive with the vacuum um with the

1:20:28

Zer point energy field and basically you can create a bubble of what's called

1:20:34

magnetic Vector potential around the craft now this is a very important concept um I want to get across here

1:20:40

about magnetic Vector potential see originally Maxwell back in the 1800s

1:20:46

produced the first theory of electromagnetism of electrodynamics and in his original Theory um the primary

1:20:54

Movers of electromagnetism was the scalar potential and the vector potential and forget the term potential

1:21:00

that's really not a good descriptor of this but the scalar potential just imagine for a moment that there's a river and you're underneath the surface

1:21:07

of the of the river the scalar potential would be the pressure of the water all around you pushing against your body

1:21:13

that's the scaler or the static potential that's always there the vector

1:21:19

potential would be the force of the current flowing against your body pushing against you in a specific

1:21:24

specific Direction a specific Vector that's the vector potential the magnetic and electric fields are just various

1:21:32

manifestations of the scalar and Vector potentials a magnetic field is just a curled Vector potential for example and

1:21:40

so with a flux liner you're creating a bubble of vector potential around the craft right then if you pulse it because

1:21:46

remember the flux liner was designed as like a highfrequency Tesla coil if you pulse it that creates a another gradient

1:21:54

in the vector potential which is critical also if you make this bubble asymmetrical in shape um that's

1:22:01

important by creating another level of a gradient also you can even do things there's a secondary propulsion system in

1:22:06

the flux liner too which were the dialectric materials at the very base they were these copper um it was layers

1:22:14

of copper and dialectric copper and dialectric this green material and basically what makes perfect sense for

1:22:21

this green material the dialectric material would have been do Bari and titanate titanate um and it would have

1:22:28

had a high K value um which would be a high capactive value and what's so interesting about this is that type of

1:22:35

ferroelectric material can have a natural nonlinearity about it so you

1:22:40

have all these ways of adding an additional gradient so you have the natural property of the EVO to be highly

1:22:46

interactive with the vector potential and then you have all these extra gradients from being pulsed at high

1:22:52

frequency and um having the shape of the craft and having the properties of the

1:22:57

dialectric and it all contributes to having a higher pressure on one side a weaker pressure on the other side and

1:23:03

creating a net movement because gravity this is a key concept I want your listeners to grasp gravity mass and

1:23:09

inertia are all electrical phenomena they are all manifestations of the scaler and Vector

1:23:16

potentials so I now you see why I wanted you to listen to that right you were already dropping a lot of those terms

1:23:23

the of this interview and I'm sitting here I don't want to spoil what I'm about to play so what do you think what do you think of his understanding he's a

1:23:29

big fan of you yeah yeah so I've written about those things and I'm sure he's thought about it and researched it

1:23:34

himself and and and probably Incorporated it into his understanding of how let's say the flex liner works so you know kudos to him for for applying

1:23:41

it in in such a original and creative way you know like insightful way

1:23:47

insightful way because because for example earlier when I talked about the flux liner and how the bottom layer was like a Bill Brown capacitor kind of a

1:23:53

thing he talks about how they had different layers and how they were doped okay now what when what does he mean by doping doping means you have the

1:24:01

different layers have different KS different dialectric constants and so when you put an electric field through

1:24:07

the stack of layers the electric field here is going to be different from the one here different from the one there it's be a compression in that direction

1:24:13

okay it's be compression in that direction and that creates a linear well quote unquote linear nonlinearity in the

1:24:20

electric field and so when you have nonlinearities in the electric field you're you're generating something new

1:24:26

okay so the same way that um a gradient in the voltage leads to an electric field well a gradient which is really a

1:24:32

Divergence and the electric field leads to X to something else which is probably electr gravitation you know it's

1:24:39

probably what it is now a lot of these things they are um evident within the

1:24:44

equations so ultimately a lot of the stuff is in the math so if you can if you understand the mathematics then you

1:24:52

can look at an equation and you can say okay well that part there corresponds to this physical process and if I want to

1:24:57

apply it this is the sort of physical experiment or setup that I have to do in order to to make it be that way all right so um one one of the theories that

1:25:06

I had in that in my paper a brief introduction to scalar physics is that the Divergence of the magnetic Vector

1:25:12

potential in other words in other words how much this uh this this water flow that he's talking about diverges or

1:25:18

converges upon a point like in a radial Direction This expansion or contraction of The Ether corresponds or is

1:25:24

interrelated in some way to the gravitational potential and therefore also to the rate of time itself so what

1:25:30

this means is if you can control the vector potential which you can do through um charge densities and through

1:25:36

currents um and just arranging them in a certain geometric way if you can control that then you can control the

1:25:43

gravitational potential and therefore you can control time as well then it's just a matter of how much charge density

1:25:48

you can compact into a certain space and how much you can make it modulate and so that's exactly where you're talking

1:25:54

about with those plasmoids those stable plasma things where that is Nature's Own

1:25:59

mechanism for compacting as much charges as possible into the smallest volume okay that's how you get the greatest

1:26:05

charge density and so when you have such a high level of charge density and you modulate its size that is a way of

1:26:13

generating um radial longitudinal waves wow that's mind-blowing to think about

1:26:20

and it makes a lot of sense it's like I love the thing you just said about nature it's like Nature's Way of fitting

1:26:26

the most charge into that region when I first spoke to Sal pis my first thought

1:26:33

was like I kept thinking I was on all on board the metam material thing alien you know they figured out some way it must

1:26:39

be a metam material but doesn't it just make so much more sense that nature is going to have the most efficient

1:26:45

mechanism and it's not going to be some material that we've got you know that to

1:26:52

me makes the most sense out of all of it and then when I heard him talking about

1:26:57

these idea of these cold plasmas and you know I looked back the MH370 videos and I'm just going wow this

1:27:05

is really the answer because this is where s s's whole P effect is that he's

1:27:12

saying that to your point what is what is the amount of energy you can fit electromagnetic flux you can fit within

1:27:17

a region of SpaceTime s's thing is that the most is the swinger limit is that once you hit the swinger limit Julian

1:27:24

schwinger Nobel Prize winner 1965 uh when you hit that level of

1:27:29

energy density you're breaking through the fabric of reality you could argue you're like looking at the true

1:27:35

nothingness at that point uh you're looking down through whatever the ether is you're looking at it at that point um

1:27:44

yeah so yeah I think that and then this also speaks to the idea of these evos what they're doing then is they're

1:27:50

changing the permitivity of SpaceTime in that region that's going to manipulate the speed of light in that region and

1:27:57

now it's you know now what do you have you have a ball of energy floating

1:28:02

around and the other thing that I realized I'm curious you get your thoughts on all of this is that one of

1:28:08

the biggest scientific things that I found was something called the dynamic Casmir effect you hear people talk about

1:28:14

the Casmir effect all the time in this topic and and why because it proves Zero

1:28:19

Point Energy is real for the people out there going well is Zero Point Energy even real yes the lamb shift proves proves it's real Kazmir effect proves

1:28:26

it's real Aon Hof bom effect proves it's real all these things prove there's something there why does science ignore

1:28:32

them I don't know I don't really care at the end of the day um but this energy level if we can break

1:28:40

through this then we can create these types of effects that we've been writing about in physics which is like wormholes

1:28:48

you know portals things like that they require these huge amounts of energy to

1:28:54

to pull off so what is your thoughts and do you have any other background thoughts or anything I haven't brought

1:28:59

up about evos in general and oh sorry I forgot the other thing I was gonna say

1:29:04

about the dynamic Casmir effect is that they think the dynamic Casmir effect they being physicist they think the

1:29:10

dynamic Casmir effect happens at the Event Horizon of black holes is that that's one of the AST astrological

1:29:17

locations cosmological locations where we see the dynamic Casmir effect happen if you read about the dynamic Casmir

1:29:23

effect it basically say that the swinger effect is happening is that these

1:29:28

virtual particle pairs that are constantly popping in and out of existence they get captured from the

1:29:35

swinger effect and what happens they become real photons photon is just light

1:29:42

so to me if you add this up and you say huh if we're creating like a black hole

1:29:47

or a little permitivity change in a region of space and we've got our plasma here then it's going to be glowing

1:29:54

because it's going to be something inside there is pulling photons out of The Ether if it's really interacting

1:30:00

with The Ether like Ken shoulders would say what is your thoughts on any and all of that yeah so the Zero Point Energy

1:30:07

field the way that some physicists understand it is that you have these virtual particles or virtual including

1:30:12

virtual photons that pop in and out of existence and they do it within a time span that is allowed by the Heisenberg

1:30:18

uncertainty principle right so it's a very very small window of time where things can pop in and pop out but it's enough to generate a collective effect

1:30:26

that leads to Zero Point Energy effects okay and I think what what you're talking about there what what they were

1:30:33

talking about has to do with bringing a system right up to that threshold where when something tries to pop into

1:30:38

existence in a pair and an anti-air thing well there's a there's sort of like like one is above the threshold and

1:30:44

one is beneath the threshold so one so so therefore you get this asymmetric effect you you break the Symmetry that

1:30:49

normally combines them back to zero so imagine you generate a one and a minus one and normally they collapse back to zero well what if as soon as that one

1:30:56

pops out you like throw that into a black hole and then the other one you leave outside of the black hole well now all of a sudden you've got this minus

1:31:02

one out of nowhere without a one to cancel it back out so you you get something out of nothing okay that

1:31:08

that's sort of what you're talking about there and and I mean another way of understanding that would be you are biasing the Zero Point Energy field so

1:31:15

that you get a net a net fluctuation that comes out of it you know so that's oil well right but you've just tapped

1:31:21

into a Unlimited Supply of energy at that point you're creating something that's pulling the energy out yeah yeah

1:31:28

and and that's so that sort of energy then would be in the form of either uh they're not virtual particles anymore

1:31:33

they're real particles now and they could be electrons you know they could be electrons um and also photons so some sort of radiation it could be light

1:31:40

could be gamma rays x-rays whatever and actually interestingly enough a lot of these uh supposed UFOs they do generate

1:31:47

these energy Fields they generate particles like electric fields around them in addition to glowing in a

1:31:53

plasmatic sort of way and people getting ultraviolet radiation burns when they get a little bit too close to them so

1:31:58

they're generating very very intense energy fields and perhaps perhaps they are creating a shell around themselves

1:32:04

that's almost like an event horizon for all we know maybe that's what they're doing you know but but no doubt that a lot of these ships they do use plasmas

1:32:11

to do a lot of what they do so so imagine if you if you do have a metal vehicle and the skin of it you can

1:32:18

Electrify in such a way that you create a plasmoid around yourself so you're encased in a plasma you're like you're

1:32:24

like a flying ball lightning basically so you can imagine what you can do with that you can you can nullify inertia you can alter gravity you can probably alter

1:32:31

the rate of time and actually um funny enough Stefan marinov in the magd magd

1:32:37

device you know which I I think I think I think I linked that to you once yeah yeah so so the Magid device um this was

1:32:44

device that Stefan marinov he's a Bulgarian physicist who died under very mysterious circumstances but that was

1:32:51

the final device that he built before he was killed and and the official story is that he committed suicide by jumping off

1:32:57

a university building but in truth um when he landed uh one of the people that found him found that there was this

1:33:04

weird green glowing fluid leaking out the back of his fractured skull almost almost like a like like radiator flued

1:33:10

from a car like a coolant or something was he an alien well no no no the the the theory is that that he was probably

1:33:16

mind controlled like injected or some sort of thing and and made to jump off yeah but but see but see he was fully conscious and he would probably would

1:33:23

have but an ambulance showed up mysterious ambulance and took him away and he died

1:33:28

on the way to the hospital and I think they tried to trace where that ambulance came from and it wasn't an official ambulance so yeah something went on

1:33:36

there you know but anyway so so this Magid device it stands for magnetic uh

1:33:42

Vortex hyper into this actually yeah yeah yeah because you sent me this what

1:33:47

I can't remember there's something relevant to this this magl uh

1:33:53

but yeah I looked into it and I thought uh it looked very plausible and just not

1:33:59

to necessarily change the subject we can talk more about that but something I was just looking at yesterday actually was I

1:34:06

decided to pull up Sal's uh here it is sorry Sal's patent for inertial craft

1:34:13

using inertial mass reduction device and one thing you notice how do I make this go over somewhere else uh let me try to

1:34:20

pop this out there we go oh um hold on let me switch let me switch my share screen here um this craft s says there's

1:34:31

a cavity here this triangle craft is using a cavity that has xenon gas or

1:34:36

another noble gas in it which I believe is an insulator um

1:34:43

and I guess what I'm getting at here is that could this outside be this plasma

1:34:49

field that's being generated and could the energy be using this cavity here to create the cold Plasma on the

1:34:57

outside looking at this image it just that looks like what he's trying to represent on this image yeah yeah well

1:35:03

man it's been it's been a while since I read that patent so I can't remember but I mean it does look like it and and I know that he does incorporate plasma

1:35:09

into some of his some of his technology so and and you have to if you want really high charged densities yeah you

1:35:14

have you have to use plasmas it's as mentioned it's Nature's Way Nature's way of doing it most efficiently so um yeah

1:35:21

yeah so yeah I think that my opinion is this and I this is kind of what you know I want to get your last thoughts on this

1:35:28

here may ask one or two more questions but what if what is your thoughts on this hypothesis that I've I don't think

1:35:34

I've stolen this from anybody else but maybe other people had the same thought what if any civilization kind of figures

1:35:41

out that plasma is the secret they all figure out that we can't get the energy densities we need without plasma and so

1:35:47

that that would mean that plasma is kind of like discovering fire you know like

1:35:53

you first you start rubbing sticks together and you realize oh we can make fire happen look at that and then do we

1:35:58

still rub sticks together I don't I was making a fire earlier today and I just used my lighter right and I I start the

1:36:05

fire up and we don't really ask why Fire Works the way that it does or who figured it out whatever we just say it

1:36:11

exists it's a property of nature that happens and you know you could get into the long complicated explanation for how

1:36:17

and why it's working but what if Plasma's like that and what if then now

1:36:22

the hurdle to achieving this magical technology is just discovering a

1:36:28

property of nature it's not even a matter of achieving some level of

1:36:33

material science or understanding what what is your thoughts on that theory I I

1:36:39

think the reason why I like it is going back to what you said at the beginning when I asked you what you think the nature of the UFO phenomenon is is that

1:36:44

it opens the door to everything is that it could be partially us we could have figured some of this out we could have figured it out from Aliens we could have

1:36:50

figured it out from digging something up we could have figured it out on our own own it also opens the door to some of

1:36:55

this stuff flying around being us but some of it also being aliens using a similar Foundation of Technology all

1:37:01

based on plasma what do you think yeah I think plasma is is quite foundational now for us as humans with our our budget

1:37:10

our Labs our garages our basements plasma I think is the way to go to to

1:37:16

get those charge densities that we need to have very strong effects and in case people are wondering like why is it that charge densities have any effect on

1:37:22

anything well it's because charge itself electric charges they seem to have a grip on The Ether and so that's why when

1:37:29

you send a current down a wire it drags a little little bit of ether with it and so you've get this Vector potential

1:37:35

flowing alongside the outside of the wire because it's it's being dragged Along by the charge and so when you take

1:37:42

charges and you and you compress them together if you compress charges together in a motion like this then what

1:37:47

you're doing is you're also compressing The Ether so you're modulating The Ether by modulating charge density and the

1:37:53

greater the charge density the stronger your grip on The Ether and the more you affect the Zero Point Energy field and

1:37:59

so on so that's why charges are so important is because they they literally grab the ether they alter time like the

1:38:04

bill Brown effect okay the bill Brown effect you just have a capacitor a high voltage capacitor so once charge super

1:38:10

high you know negative and the other one either is at ground or super high negative voltage and just with that alone you get a propulsive force because

1:38:17

you're altering The Ether in an asymmetric way so The Ether wants to flow you know to to to rebalance it and so therefore you get this motion

1:38:24

and so the reason why I bring that up is because yeah I think plasma is the most efficient way to do it because that's

1:38:29

how nature does it um ball lightning the sun you know I actually fire itself is a plasma funny enough um but but yeah I

1:38:36

mean you can you can use plasmas to do things that you can't with let's say copper conductors because a copper conductor you can only put so much

1:38:42

energy into it before the copper melts you know before the wire heats up and and it melts so you can't use copper

1:38:48

wire to do these super high powerful things but if you use a plasma which is nothing but charges nothing but ions and

1:38:54

electrons then there's nothing there to melt you know so you can keep on pumping energy into it until you reach the the

1:39:00

swinger limit or whatever sort of limit you're talking about and you start getting getting really really weird

1:39:05

effects but one of the important things I forgot to mention earlier is that there are really two ways of getting

1:39:11

these exotic effects one is to cram just as much mass and energy and motion or whatever into a certain volume of space

1:39:17

and you end up curving space and time you end up curving The Ether and that's what general relativity would recommend and I think that's what s p is is that's

1:39:25

what he's going for he's going for like extreme energy densities to warp space and time but there is another way and

1:39:31

the other way is to First you alter the actual physical constants of space itself you know the primitivity the

1:39:38

index of refraction of The Ether and if you alter those then you don't need as much energy in order to get those

1:39:44

effects okay and that's something that um funny enough Jack SFA you know his like his s s thing that we talked about

1:39:50

last time the schmuck Factor so so that thing that is the um the the uh the

1:39:55

variable that controls how much energy you need to warp a certain amount of space in time and so if you can alter

1:40:01

that first using scal or physics principles by altering the density of The Ether if you can do that first then

1:40:08

The Ether becomes more fluid more pliable softer and you don't need as much energy per volume of space in order

1:40:13

to open portals or alter time or anything like that so so that's why I think that some of these ships whether

1:40:20

they are Shadow military or alien stuff some of them probably are using a method of softening up to Ether first before

1:40:27

they apply the energy so therefore they don't have to have the energy equivalent of of a massive star in order to open a

1:40:33

portal you know maybe they don't need that maybe they just need a tiny fraction of that but in correspondence to that they've also

1:40:39

softened up The Ether in a massive massive way through um that the combination they're all connected

1:40:44

honestly I think that I think that all these ideas and concepts are connected in a way where once we start seeing it

1:40:50

experimentally publicly it's going to start to make a lot of sense I think that we can reduce the energy requirements I think we can amplify

1:40:56

energy as well and I think we can pull free energy out of the The Ether all the above and I think we're going to find

1:41:02

that yeah there's a relationship between them all uh Tom Bearden you know he would talk about tickling tickling The

1:41:08

Ether with the you know a little bit of energy and that's kind of what he's talking about he's like saying that find

1:41:13

the way to interact with the ether in a way that uses the least amount of energy and I think that Ken shoulders maybe has

1:41:19

either discovered that or discovered one way to do that with plasmas and I loved what you mentioned

1:41:26

about the electricity I want to go back to that for a second because I always mentioned this veritasium video he's my

1:41:32

favorite physicist out there veritasium on YouTube does this video I think it was like a year or two ago about

1:41:38

electricity doesn't flow through wires and he finds that yes there's

1:41:44

electricity is flowing through Fields you could say it's flowing through the ether you know from one point to the

1:41:49

other but it's not technically flowing through the wires the wires are just kind of acting as conduits for a lack of

1:41:55

a better term y um and why is this so huge because of what you just said about

1:42:02

the electricity electrons they are connecting to The Ether they are coupling to The Ether so now if you

1:42:08

think about it from that perspective this perspective electricity is coupled to The Ether and then you can look back

1:42:15

at at Hal poff's paper specifically is polarizable vacuum or metric space-time

1:42:20

metric engineering what he's talking about is basically like taking Microsoft Paint and doing a little cutout of a

1:42:27

region you know make a bubble or you can be any shape you potentially want but like just roughly let's say a bubble and

1:42:33

now you create like an Eddie current an eddy current is just like a different an area of space where you have a current

1:42:39

difference maybe a super conducting barrier and now you've got a bubble

1:42:44

you've got a bubble in SpaceTime all created and produced by electricity by

1:42:49

electric charge and I think that's what Ken shoulders I think this is where Ken shoulders and how poff's ideas

1:42:55

overlapped and why they were partners with one another because they both understood that space isn't empty and there's this ether and they were both

1:43:02

kind of like how Poff was going the or sorry uh Ken shoulders was going the plasma route going like you know this is

1:43:08

how we can create it and then how Poff was kind of explaining it in the concepts I personally think he got

1:43:14

sucked into the black world as well um and I I think he's a lot smarter than he lets on as well and he's very smart guy

1:43:21

um I think he knows way more stuff so uh I guess thoughts on on that and

1:43:27

energy not flowing through the wires and what that means for how you manipulate SpaceTime that's an important thing it's

1:43:34

something I wanted to bring up for sure so it's good that we got to this point so in that veritasium video yeah I did

1:43:39

talk about how energy is not flowing through the wire it's actually flowing in the space around the wire and the quantity that they refer to is the

1:43:46

pointing Vector p y n t i and G and the pointing Vector is equal to the electric

1:43:52

field uh crossed with the magnetic field so e crossb e crossb so if you got

1:43:57

electric field this way magnetic field this way then the pointing Vector um well you this way or that way I I didn't

1:44:03

keep track of my directions but it's perpendicular to both of them right so but but see that what what he's saying

1:44:08

is it flows like how energy flows with a photon because in a photon you have the electric field in One Direction you got

1:44:14

the the magnetic field perpendicular to that and then you have the direction of motion perpendicular to both of those

1:44:20

and that's what the pointing Vector is it's the direction of energy flow that flows

1:44:26

electromagnetically and as you and I have been discussing this entire time there's more things than just transverse

1:44:31

electromagnetic waves there are other forms of you could say um waves or ripples in The Ether okay so think about

1:44:38

it this way the pointing Vector if that is e cross B in other words e at right angles to B then how do you make this

1:44:45

this this transverse electromagnetic flow zero there's different ways to do it one you can have the E and the B be

1:44:52

in the same direction right they're not perpendicular to each other so the perpendicular component is actually

1:44:57

zero right so if you have the E and the b in the same direction then you don't get a pointing vector and you don't get

1:45:02

loss of energy and that is what that um that 1992 Air Force paper that you've been citing recently up Yeah Yeah by

1:45:11

Jack champin he says literally in there that the electric and magnetic fields are parallel to one another and I kept

1:45:17

reading that and I wanted to talk to you about it because I was like wait is he say like I I couldn't understand exactly I could tell it was profound yeah so

1:45:24

what you're saying there is that he's creating a situation where the you've canceled out you've created a scaler

1:45:31

potential is that how would you interpret that you created a situation where you don't get radiation uh in a in

1:45:36

a typical way so in other words if you have this ball of plasmoid stuff it's not going to be leaking energy outward

1:45:43

and like fizzling out to nothing it's going to be self- sustaining at least for a period of time and that's what ball lightning is ball lightning appears

1:45:48

and it goes around for a while and eventually it Fizzles out you know when it destabilizes but for that period of time all these charges are compacted

1:45:54

together and they're not dissipating right wow so so that's one situation where you're canceling out the pointing

1:46:00

vector by making e and B parallel so that there is no cross there's no perpendicular component right so that's one way to do it the the other way to do

1:46:07

it is to um make the magnetic field zero but leave the electric field so if you

1:46:13

have the electric field but no magnetic field um even even if the electric field is oscillating if you cancel out the magnetic field then it's e cross Zer

1:46:21

that is equal to zero that's also a situation where the pointing field and you know what that is you know what that

1:46:27

is that is Ken shoulders Evo that is what it is because in his paper um well

1:46:32

in his book Eevee a tale of Discovery in that book that last chapter oh you call it a book I call it like Memoirs but

1:46:37

that's that's an amazing read for people that's a good one I love I of it I mean

1:46:44

because man that book you can you can tell his passion you can tell that he understands what he's talking about you know he's in it it's not like some some

1:46:50

some academic story he tells that's where he says that he that The Ether was real in 1980 and he talks openly about

1:46:56

his relationship with how pudol and Bill Church who was the owner of Church's Chicken at the time like that needs to

1:47:02

be made into a movie anyway please keep going yeah all right so in that paper near the end he talks about his theory

1:47:08

about what these evos are and what he thinks they are is they he thinks that they are monopole oscillations of

1:47:13

electric charge densities it's it's a long it's a long phrase but what all really means is a spherical oscillating

1:47:20

density of charge right so in other words the electric field is pointing outwards in in a radial Direction and

1:47:27

it's increasing and decreasing increasing and decreasing because the charges are are moving it's actually it's actually generating a vector

1:47:33

potential in a radial symmetrical way that's what it's doing okay it's generating a spherical longitudinal

1:47:38

waves into The Ether okay um except what makes it stable is that it's oscillating

1:47:44

in such a way that it is in resonance with The Ether itself okay so because

1:47:50

it's resonating at a frequency that is in in resonance with The Ether any sort of

1:47:55

longitudal energy that does go out gets reflected back so it's in you know it's like a it's like if you and I and a

1:48:00

bunch of people were in a mosh pit and we're all like pushing out against each other normally we would disperse but if there's a crowd around us that is

1:48:06

pushing back in time with us then then we just kind of Stay Together as as a group in the center of the moshbit so

1:48:11

that's how it is you know these electrons are trying to push apart but then the ether pushes it back and there's this oscillation going on and so

1:48:17

that's what he's talking about he's talking about these radial charge oscillations that that's his version of the plasmoid whereas the Jack the

1:48:24

champin paper that's slightly different that that's where you got the E and the B nonzero but they're in parallel so you

1:48:31

get this like solenoidal you know tral spherical shape right and that's it's

1:48:37

similar but it's different from um from Ken shoulders stuff but it's it's um to

1:48:43

to our eyes both of them will look like plasmoids it's just one is like like a Taurus and the other one is um you know

1:48:48

radiating like like like this like it's not radiating but it's moving like that but um yeah but but both of them the

1:48:54

pointing vectors are zero because there is no e crossb that's non zero interestingly enough so so which one's

1:49:00

the one that's compressing decompressing Ken shoulders or Jack yeah yeah yeah Ken shoulders so when he talks about monopoles at the end of his paper he's

1:49:06

talking about electric monopoles not magnetic monopol just talking charge charge densities I've been interpreting

1:49:11

it wrong this whole time I mean fundamentally same concept but yeah wow

1:49:17

yeah wow that is mindblowing man that you brought that up thank you for thank you for talking about that

1:49:23

yeah and that's the thing where the N champkin paper goes and takes it a step further and from n champkin approach

1:49:29

says well if you create this Vortex just like a Whirlpool where you're pulling

1:49:34

the tub the water out of the tub then it can stabilize the the field and

1:49:42

therefore becom stable and I also wonder do you think that there might be a

1:49:47

requirement or like do you think it has to be modulated in such a way where it has to in some kind of equilibrium with

1:49:54

the atmosphere as well like does it have to be like the same temperature as the background atmosphere or close that that

1:50:01

kind of gets alluded to in the champin paper and it was an interesting thought that I never considered I just assumed

1:50:07

that if you can make a bubble then it's completely separated from everything else but what if there is some criteria

1:50:14

where it needs to be within a certain threshold of the outside environment in order for it to stay stable otherwise

1:50:19

it'll become unstable yeah I think um I think the environmental conditions

1:50:25

whether it's pressure the the I mean even the types of gases that are in the air if if any if there's any sort of

1:50:31

particle exchange with a plasmoid because think about it you can make a plasmoid probably in a in a field of

1:50:36

pure hydrogen or you can make another one in a pure feel of pure like argon or something right so if you make one

1:50:41

within atmosphere it's going to be made of hydrogen or I mean nitrogen you know carbon dioxide and all these other

1:50:47

things that separate and so on like a little bit of water vapor so yeah I mean the plasmoid would definitely be made of

1:50:52

the stuff of the gas that it forms within and so therefore it would have an interaction with the environment not

1:50:58

only with the physical environment but probably also the gravitational environment and the etheric environment like if the the physical constant of

1:51:05

electric permitivity were different the speed of light were different then maybe it would be a bigger plasmoid instead of

1:51:10

a smaller one a more compact one or vice versa right so the environmental conditions ultimately end up determining

1:51:16

the size of the plasmoid probably its color probably what frequency it's oscillating at all these things you know

1:51:21

kind of converge together and and think about this what if what if the electron itself is a

1:51:27

plasmoid in The Ether and what if what if electric charge and the the mass of the electron what if those things only

1:51:34

appear because those are the environmental conditions that it exists within what if what if the very properties of The Ether are would give

1:51:42

the electron its supposed charge I think that's probably what's going on oh I I totally agree with you and you really

1:51:48

helped me to conceptualize these balls of plasma and so then in terms of do you think they

1:51:56

could be created then through anything and do you think they could like you know I've I've wondered because I I I

1:52:01

keep thinking of the MH370 videos and they they closely match what you were

1:52:07

describing with Ken shoulders the oscillation that's going on there I think that if those videos

1:52:14

are real then those orbs are are pulling the electrons directly from the atmosphere like I don't think they're in

1:52:20

a glass container of argon or some other gas or whatever it is and one of the

1:52:26

papers I read I don't remember which one maybe it was n champkin maybe it was one of the others they said that it can be mod it can be tuned to any frequency

1:52:34

meaning that it can be any color of light that they can Emit and they might even be able to be invisible so do you

1:52:42

think that they could be invisible does that make sense to you yeah yeah because So within plasmas when you try to create

1:52:48

a plasma in a lab one of the easiest ways to do that is you get like an evacuated chamber like a like a

1:52:54

vacuum tube or something you got two electrodes in there right so one's ground one's cathode one's anode and you pump a certain level of current into it

1:53:01

certain level of voltage and it ionizes the the remaining gases that are in there all right and so as you increase

1:53:06

the current you get this curve it's a it's a curve that's common to all such plasmas and at the the very beginning of

1:53:12

it there's a kind of dark plasma it's called the Townsen regime it's it's within that regime uh that that

1:53:19

particular phase of plasma where you don't get any light emission so it's dark but it is still a plasma

1:53:24

there's actual plasmatic processes going on there in there but it's invisible optically invisible because it's not

1:53:30

emitting necessarily any light so if you have these orbs right so if their technolog is Advanced enough they could

1:53:36

create these plasmoid orbs that are within that particular regime or something like it where it's not emitting light but it is invisible and I

1:53:44

think Ken shoulders didn't you talk about dark evos as well yeah people are probably watching this right now screaming in the chat dark evos because

1:53:52

yeah and also the safire project they had a mode where it was completely dark

1:53:57

the plasma was on there was voltage being given to it but it was just black not emitting any light whatsoever y

1:54:05

interesting yeah now since we're on the topic let me mention something briefly So within that that that curve this this

1:54:11

C this plasma curve if you get up to a certain point okay so beyond this town and regime Beyond this cold plasma

1:54:17

regime you get to What's called the normal glow discharge and that's like when you got the electrode like the

1:54:22

sapphire project videos you got this electrode and like little glowing dots started to appear around it right and they start to move a little bit that's

1:54:28

the normal glow discharge phase and eventually it gets so bright that the entire thing gets covered in like a

1:54:33

uniform layer of glow and that's called the abnormal glow discharge phase okay that's a higher up in the curve but then

1:54:40

something very interesting happens because once you reach that state you can you can turn down the voltage a

1:54:46

little bit and it'll start retracing that curve and go back to the cold plasma State really but but it's but

1:54:53

it's a different kind of cold plasma State it's like it's like a plasma has two states to it like two parallel

1:54:58

states to it and when you go up in voltage you go along the bottom one and then when you trace back you actually

1:55:03

come back this this other parallel way where now you've got this kind of cold plasma instead of this kind so there's another kind of cold plasma that exists

1:55:11

besides the the one that you first encounter when you first start applying voltage and it's within that other secondary one that's where you start

1:55:18

getting really weird really weird effects like transmutation and probably like like cold fusion something like

1:55:23

that start getting these weird effects because that is a state where you have both electrons and ions like protons or

1:55:31

whatever it's like hydrogen gas where they are in an equal um equally distributed uniform ad mixture of ions

1:55:38

colliding with electrons and there's a paper by Harold aspon um What's this

1:55:43

called let me look it up real quick Harold aspon it's it's a paper called power from space the Cora invention c r

1:55:52

Rea invention and he's talking about the Dr Pao Korea who worked with free energy

1:55:57

systems involving plasma so anyway um in the book he talks about how when you

1:56:03

have a heavy ion like a like a hydrogen or helium atom or something like that colliding with a light one like electron

1:56:10

that difference in mass and both of them having charge it does something exotic

1:56:15

okay it does something exotic where it generates free energy somehow you know you get extra energy out of that

1:56:21

interaction that the greater the difference in mass is between the heavy ion and small electron all right so the

1:56:28

reason why I bring that up is because within that secondary cold plasma state that is where you have the maximum

1:56:33

number of ions interacting with the maximum number of electrons and the more they do that the more free energy is

1:56:40

being generated So within cold plasma a certain kind of it you do get these

1:56:45

exotic free energy and other and other effects yeah I I think that's the

1:56:50

biggest thing and the biggest take away from the plasma as well is that you you go back to like you just recapping what

1:56:56

we've talked about this whole thing is that we've talked about the nature of the suppression of the of the UFO

1:57:02

phenomenon what it could be what the national security issue is the

1:57:07

technology and then you go well what is this technology to me all signs are pointing towards plasma Plasma's got

1:57:15

these properties that we need and it turns out like you just mentioned I I came to the same conclusion that it's

1:57:21

like basically an Infinite Battery this this natural property of this plasma is just producing what we would think of as

1:57:28

free energy but it's not really free it goes back to the dynamic Casmir effect you're pulling energy out of The Ether

1:57:34

and we're we're sending this other particle somewhere else and this gives us a net positive amount of energy in

1:57:40

our observable reality now it's at the cost of something we we took energy out

1:57:45

of The Ether and this also speaks to a lot of these free energy devices they cool things down like that there's a

1:57:52

seral video that I could show right now but I'm not going to I've shown it several times on my stream where they show this John Cal uh free energy device

1:58:00

Recreation and over the five or 10 minute video it actually cools down to

1:58:06

the point where the center magnet has frost on it it's gotten so cold and they have a thermal thing on it as well so

1:58:13

really the point I'm trying to make for people is there it's true there is no free lunch so even if you're pulling energy out of this sea ocean of energy

1:58:20

pulling this energy out you're pulling energy out of that region which naturally is going to cool things down

1:58:27

as well so there's always going to be consequences no matter what we can't we

1:58:32

can't cheat the laws of physics we can just break them or we can just bend them a little bit right right so I guess this

1:58:39

is probably a good time to to close it down we've had a great conversation Tom we spoke about plasma you gave me some

1:58:45

new great insights into cold plasmas we spoke about free energy gravity manipulation we spoke about aliens

1:58:52

non-human intelligence UFO phenomenon the UFO hearings how P off Etc is there

1:58:57

anything else you want to mention before we close out yeah I want to say for you guys that are interested in this Fringe

1:59:03

physics stuff check out the works of David maker David maker he so David

1:59:11

maker he's a he's a smart guy and and what he did was he reverse engineered general

1:59:17

relativity he did to general relativity what me and others have done with Maxwell's equations to find the hidden

1:59:24

avenues that would expand it and based on that expansion of general relativity

1:59:29

he found equations that show how rotating charges especially if they

1:59:34

wobble on their axis are able to produce gravitational fields are able to couple to SpaceTime and to warp SpaceTime in a

1:59:40

very efficient and effective way not only that but he also figured out that it does it especially if you bring the

1:59:46

voltage up to I think it was either 51,000 volts or 512,000 volts but there's a sing Singularity and voltage

1:59:53

there where if you take this rotating charge system and you bring it up to that voltage as soon as you hit that you get like a massive burst of thrust or or

2:00:00

you know either increase in weight or decrease in weight so David maker um let's see is that the one trying to see

2:00:07

on the screen I don't know this is the paper but this is him for sure I I found this last time we spoke and I I started

2:00:12

digging into David maker quite a bit actually at the time it was well beyond me but I should take another look at it

2:00:17

now because I've heard like let me just say this real quick is I've I've talked

2:00:23

to Engineers behind the scenes that I've never spoken about that have brought up David maker as well which is why I got

2:00:28

really interested when you brought it up so far oh interesting okay yeah interesting um yeah he's got like four

2:00:33

papers on Research gate I think one of them was co-authored with Glenn Robertson who used to work for the team

2:00:39

that Amy esgd was was part of oh really yeah so there's a connection there's like you know two degrees of separation

2:00:45

between Amy ESD and David Baker and they probably knew each other for for all I know um yeah they probably did but

2:00:50

anyway um that science that that he figured out is what pot ketov is doing is implementing

2:00:58

in the lab yeah yeah rotating rotating charges whose axis of rotation wobbles

2:01:04

okay so if if you look up um one of PL cnops more recent experiments from like

2:01:09

I don't know like five 10 years ago I say recent because he goes back to the 90s right yeah yeah yeah well um it's

2:01:15

it's a video where it's like a vacuum chamber and he's got like a metal disc in there and it's on an axis like a motor and he spins it up and there's

2:01:21

like a weight that's suspended above it and this weight starts wobbling with gravitational pulses due to the gravity

2:01:26

being generated by this rotating disc and the disc is not superc conducting it it has um well it takes too long to

2:01:32

explain but long story short it's aluminum disc it's got gold gold rings impregnated into it and there's a it

2:01:39

builds up very high charge densities at the interface between the gold and the aluminum and it does it naturally without any additional energy input and

2:01:45

so when you spin that around and you make it wobble like that on the axis you get this gravitational impulse so that's an example of him doing that but but he

2:01:51

said is he said that that particular method is not very efficient and that the most efficient way to do it would be

2:01:57

through rotating magnetic fields which is what that Magid that Steven marinov developed that's what that is he was

2:02:03

he's creating extremely high frequency rotating magnetic fields that were operating at like 75 megahertz and

2:02:09

there's no way there's no way you can you can build a mechanical physical disc that rotates that fast I mean that's like 75 million times per second you

2:02:16

know you can't you can't do that right reason why the plasma is so big because the plasma now you have just this NE

2:02:22

gas that can do move in any direction that you need it just it makes a lot of sense anyway keep going yeah yeah so so

2:02:28

um to finish up the Magid thing what he had was he had um two sets of coils right so one set of coil was like this

2:02:34

another set of coils was like this and each one produced a magnetic field okay um but each set of coils was pumped in

2:02:41

quadrature meaning one was given a sine wave the other one was given a cosine wave so they're like 90 degrees apart in time and when you do that with that sort

2:02:47

of setup what you end up getting you get a synthetic rotating magnetic field and

2:02:52

so anything that's in that rotating magnetic field if it responds to magnetism magnetism the orbitals or the

2:02:58

electron orbitals will align with it so I mean that's how magnets work you know when you put iron near magnet the the

2:03:04

orbitals right so what happens is because magnetism itself within a magnet or iron or ferite because it involves

2:03:11

electrons going around an orbit like that if you have a rotating magnetic field you have rotating charges that

2:03:18

their axis of rotation ends up rotating itself at 75 mehz in this case and that

2:03:24

that that is that is the David maker thing where you've got rotating charges whose axis is either wobbling or

2:03:29

rotating entirely okay at at high at high voltages so that's what this device was doing it was actually ionizing the

2:03:36

air and then electrons were coming out the top and circulating and going around up through the bottom he was creating a

2:03:41

plasmoid using rotating magnetic fields yeah and and and according to rumors so

2:03:46

people that knew that saw the device in demonstration it warped time and it produced free energy

2:03:54

so device yeah the marof maget device so no wonder he died within two weeks after

2:03:59

producing something like yeah and I think we reached a point now where maybe this is what we'll end on is that what

2:04:04

do you think's changed between that was probably like what the 70s or something and now because it seems like something

2:04:11

has changed from my perspective because a I'm still alive and I've been exposing all this science and technology you are

2:04:18

too right and you might just say well we're just small fish in a big Pond and you know we're making small ripples but

2:04:25

we're not making big change but it does feel like they're letting some of this stuff come out you know and some of it

2:04:31

like I think we are in agreement that's the technology that they're afraid of coming out but what is it you think

2:04:37

change do you think that they've just given up they've gotten tired of hiding it do you think that it's going to come

2:04:43

out inevitably anyway do you think there's another explanation what what do you think's going on yeah I think there's a Tim table that they have

2:04:49

towards where they want this to come out because they can so the thing is if if

2:04:54

they if you release it prematurely then we would not have been on this geopolitical track that we've been on

2:05:00

for the past 30 40 50 years yeah and for some reason they wanted this to happen until a certain point in the future it

2:05:06

could be within 10 years it could be within 30 years who knows but I think um I think well I mean we are reaching

2:05:11

various technological singularities even with AI right coming up within next 10 10 20 years so I think um they they want

2:05:17

it to happen during that time period and not a moment before so if someone tries to come out with a free energy device

2:05:23

before that they're ready for it before they have all the pieces in play to to to exploit it that's not good for them

2:05:29

you know because then we'd be preempting them so they're going to kill us off if we do it beforehand but I so like right

2:05:34

now you and I we can talk about this we can talk about this and you've known people that probably have working

2:05:40

devices okay but it's it's when they have working devices that they're going to release to the world that affects

2:05:45

things on an economic political geopolitical level that's when they get whacked so

2:05:51

we're still in the danger zone um but at least we can talk about it yeah and people ask me like hey Ashton what

2:05:58

happened with your whole ether Tech free energy device thing that you were doing and I say just do you listen to what Tom just said right there it's one thing to

2:06:05

talk about it conceptually it's also another thing to see it with your own eyes it's a whole another thing to try

2:06:11

to get on CNN with it right and when you start to try to do those types of things

2:06:17

that's when you see the full force of the suppression that's when you see the disinformation people come out and say I

2:06:24

mean I actually research this there's several people who literally they basically they are PhD physicists whose

2:06:30

job it is to testify on behalf of the government that when people are developing free energy devices that they're cooks and cranks and that it's

2:06:37

pseudo science and all this stuff it's scary to see that stuff and some these people might even believe it themselves

2:06:44

oh I'm sure they do yeah know and that's and that's so it goes to show that guys like this isn't a game like there's

2:06:49

something happening at a major level here and these this physics is real many

2:06:55

many many people have discovered it throughout time uh we can push as hard as we can but ultimately I guess the

2:07:02

last question for you is so what do we do knowing all this information knowing the history of the suppression on it Tom

2:07:09

what is your view on how we progress I think I think the best

2:07:15

thing would be to use weaponized open source crowd sourcing of this

2:07:20

information because then it's not just one person one inventor who has something so so the the typical pattern

2:07:26

is an inventor discovers something amazing they think about it should I release this to the world no I spent

2:07:33

like 10 20 years developing it make money off this I should make money off this okay all right fine I'm gonna make money off this so therefore I have to

2:07:38

keep it secret I have to try to get investors and I have to start signing deals and this process takes time and

2:07:44

you start signaling to the PO at B that hey I've got something and but I haven't released it to the world yet so if you kill me off now I will never release it

2:07:51

and guess what happens that's what happens so Stan Meyer he had his technology and he uh cloaked it in a lot

2:07:57

of um misdirection you know and so therefore when he was just about to sign

2:08:03

that deal he stood up and he claimed I've been poisoned and he falls over dead in the parking lot people say

2:08:09

though that I would say is that what if also there's this element of I've seen this pattern where when people figure it

2:08:16

out they go oh it was it was that easy oh everybody's going to figure this out like next year think they like oh

2:08:22

everyone's going to figure this out and so they start you know doing the same things you said they start patenting

2:08:27

things they start trying to make investment deals the thing they don't do is they don't start you know putting in

2:08:34

on the blockchain or doing a bunch of interviews usually they they they get

2:08:39

like that and then the problem is that it doesn't come out it never comes out and so now we've just got people with

2:08:44

these patents and everybody we've got all these patents out there that claim to be able to do free energy type stuff and nobody thinks they're real and what

2:08:51

have you uh so there maybe there's an element of that yeah especially especially if the

2:08:56

principle is simple like you said if it's very easy and they know that everyone else can figure out usually usually what they end up doing is they

2:09:03

end up releasing something about it because um people are going to want to know anyway but they misdirected with a

2:09:09

bunch of complicated extras that don't need to be part of it and so throw little sabotage in there so somebody

2:09:15

tries to copy it or whatever then right everybody's like oh I'm going

2:09:20

to recreate and I failed it's like I know I know I know and people try to recreate it like oh my God I got to buy

2:09:26

like like $10,000 worth of materials to create the special magnet recipe or something I'm talking about Floyd site for example things things like that you

2:09:33

know the principle is probably very simple but they they added all this complicated conditions to it and they

2:09:38

say only if you do this and this and this and this this you get the effect and then people try to replicate it but of course they can't do everything and

2:09:43

it fails because they miss the original simple um thing and then the other problem is these inventors they they

2:09:49

stumble upon something but they don't % know why it's doing what it does and so they have to come up with their own

2:09:55

crazy theory about why it is and so therefore you've got all these different inventors with their own crazy theories that all contradict each other about

2:10:01

what it is so if you had the unified theory that you could explain all of it with one common correct true science

2:10:07

instead of all these little Half Baked attempts of trying to understand like oh there's little gyroscopic ether particles we call them eons or something

2:10:13

and you know maybe that's the case but I think most of the time they're just trying to grasp at what it could

2:10:19

actually be so there's so much misdirection and plus you got charlatans right and you've got probably like government disinform in there as well

2:10:25

trying to lead people astray it's a it's a dangerous mindfield so like kudos to anyone like you or anyone else who's

2:10:31

who's trying to Really Brave the the dark choppy Waters and trying to figure out what that island of truth actually

2:10:38

is yeah the and I know we've been going for a while I want to I want to wind it down but that reminded me too of uh you

2:10:44

know I I've reach out to a lot of physicists uh here and there about just input on what have you one of them was

2:10:50

uh professor named David Greer from NYU who he several years ago uh was making

2:10:56

the rounds on you know the media for developing this tractor beam and it was funny because I I messaged him about it

2:11:02

and he got very defensive over the idea that there's no special physics going on but he said it was he literally it was

2:11:08

magic he couldn't explain it and it goes to the point that you just mentioned which is this idea that like a lot of these people don't even know how they

2:11:15

invented the thing they did I'm like do you think this could be like a negative energy laser that you're doing here because it has like the same properties

2:11:22

no no there's nothing there's nothing Exotics there's magical going it's just normal energy and I'm going yeah I know it's you know everything is like there

2:11:28

anything that we can see we have an explanation for it but I just think that that that mindset is a good uh analogy

2:11:35

to where Academia is right now where it's like we've got these ideas out there we've spoken about them for two

2:11:40

hours on this live on this uh interview and yet they don't get taken seriously

2:11:46

and we've seen these inventors these papers some of these guys like Ken shoulders this guy was developing micro

2:11:52

Electronics before microelectronics were a thing he was developing drones before drones were a thing these are not

2:11:58

lightweight Guys these AR aren't random cranks in their garage so yeah what would be your message

2:12:05

to humanity for the people out there wondering when this is going to come out what would you tell them to reassure

2:12:11

those people that well so the question is what I'm about to say is it reassuring or not okay that's so I so

2:12:19

there's there's an inventor that I used to know and after he developed a breakthrough in developing a waterp powerered engine that actually truly

2:12:25

just ran on water like no other funny business um yeah he he was dead within a month and a half I was I was about to go

2:12:32

visit him to show show you know see what what he developed and he died shortly after but anyway one of the things that

2:12:39

he told me is that he thinks that one day there will come a time where mounting economic and climate and other

2:12:46

disasters are going to just Death By A Thousand Cuts to the system yeah so the government will not have the resources

2:12:53

anymore to maintain their grip of control and at that point you will have a flourishing of suppressed inventions

2:13:00

that can no longer be kept down because there's just no no long no longer enough manpower to keep them

2:13:07

suppressed War were to break out and we were to use them in war is that another possibility uh I would say that it's

2:13:14

only it would only be used in war if there is no other option like if if America like for example America's Black

2:13:19

Ops programs if they themselves were at risk of being wiped out by invading Russians or aliens or whatever it is

2:13:24

then they would pull it out but up until that point I think they'll it's it's a bigger risk to reveal it than to keep it

2:13:30

secret you know so they'll keep it secret until they can't anymore so okay finish your thought sorry didn't mean

2:13:36

yeah but but the thing is we can't really depend on them because that'll be their timetable so I think it's up to us

2:13:42

to continue doing the research the experimentation to open source it and the thing is if you're someone who does

2:13:48

discover magical principle like anti gravity or free energy or something you're going to have to make that hard

2:13:54

Choice are you going to be like Gollum and the Lord of the Rings with your precious or are you going to sacrifice

2:14:01

yourself for Humanity and put it out there in a way that can't be suppressed you know blockchain it whatever open

2:14:07