hello everybody and welcome to another episode of hard truths podcast today my guest is Professor Simon Holland he is a

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science filmmaker we are going to talk about seti aliens drones and orbs get

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ready I'm ready Simon welcome to the show Ashton it's really nice to have to

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be back and um I follow you with great interest uh thanks for having me on

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there's a lot of things going on what isn't in our sky right now whether it's orbs or drones or we're being attacked

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by Bad actors who knows it's certainly a serious situation um well that's what I

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want to talk to you about right off the bat so if people have been living under a rock there has been some kind of drone

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Invasion on the East Coast New Jersey for like the last month and everybody's wondering what it is so let me ask you

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what do you think's going on what have you seen well I live in Europe and the Drone invasion is here too which is kind

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of interesting uh folks um in fact long before it was in New Jersey it was over

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specific um NATO U Ministry of Defense RAF bases

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here in eastern um in eastern England not here I live in France uh but um that

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was deeply worrying because the bases had no idea how to react act um they

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sent f-15s which aren't exactly even the most modern plane because that's what they had um to counter these unknown

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threats which probably were drones and um I had a long chat with exod Nick Pope

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um who's well known and we both came to the conclusion that it was probably

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Britain's worst uh um encounter

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with things coming into British airspace you know since I don't know since the Cold War you know when well why wouldn't

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they shoot these things down right like is that why you assume that it must be us it it seems so weird that these

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things would be over our military bases and I've heard this a lot you know how what's your explanation for

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that I think I I was that would be my first reaction you know me literally you

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know a shotgun or or even they've been using Birds of Prey can take down a drone

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um what Nick Pope said and I think I agree with Nick on this very much is

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they were the drones or whatever they are are an unconventional threat and the military

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tend to live in the past so they countered a DJI hobby drone or something

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bigger we don't know with an F effing 15 it's an inappropriate reaction they

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needed uh denial of flight um EMP P devices which they have but supposedly

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they didn't have them on the perimeter of the bases that had this encounter and

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they were fighting yesterday's war and I think that is an enormous clue for the

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British um U airspace violation and I'm quite mad about it because not only were

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these drones seen over um NATO bases they were also seen over British mod

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bases but really weirdly and I think think a big clue and nastily they were

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seen over the marriage quarters um of the RAF um flight crew in in a in in a

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base that used to be an airport which was now housing for their wives and children and the same kind of drones

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were seeing over there and I really think there was a big message being sent

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I think the the timing was more than a coincidence that the United Kingdom had

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just allowed Storm Shadow cruise missiles into the Ukraine which have the

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capability of going into Russia although this is not very well known I happen to

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know this the Storm Shadow um cruise missiles were restricted in their use by

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the ukrainians to only go into the Ukrainian um National borders but of

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course that includes areas of the Ukraine that have been occupied so it

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still could be seen by Russia as they are being flown into Russian controlled

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um you know land territory but the Drone incursions in the UK um I think were a a

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sign um to Britain to you know we have unconventional weapons you are

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vulnerable and that's how I saw it but then who is doing it and how is how is

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that pulled off because they certainly didn't fly nearly 3,000 miles you know

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from Moscow to Laken Heath they were um smallest drones in this case I think the

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New Jersey ones we will discuss what they what they might be but in the British case they were definitely drones

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people saw them there's photographs of them you know they're quadcopter small is oh so they were quadcopter I was

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going to ask about the morphology of what these things no the the British ones were definitely I mean there were

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some um and we should go on to this about a slightly

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um uh not very informed um opinion that

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people who didn't know what they were with kind of slightly out of focus fuzzy

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camera phones filming single point light sources in the sky and not understanding

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but there's definite footage in the British case they are not particularly

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big they were called plop to drones now viewers out there you're all shouting

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yeah but there were weird stuff well there might have been weird stuff but I think I think in the British case not

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necessarily in the American case but in the British case they seem to be quite um off-the-shelf uh drony things and one

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of the things again that Nick Pope and I discussed it we're old enough to

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remember the there used to be a phrase useful idiots and that in the Cold War

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people who align themselves say with Marxism um today which was a a newspaper

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in an organization in Britain or CND civil nuclear defense or specific

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nationalists say from Scotland my home country would often hand

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over what they thought was um not Secrets they would hand over information

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like the movements of us uh submarines at hly to Marxism today or CND

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headquarters but in fact sadly they were compromised and getting funded by Russia

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and they were in fact handing over um you know useful material to roscow and

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Moscow gave them in Russian excuse my lack of Russian they called them in Russian useful idiots um and it's quite

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possible that that that that the same idea of

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using um people for cash go and fly your drone at Laken Heath I'll give you ,000

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or coercion a Eastern European immigrant into the UK we know who your mom is kind

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of thing going F fly a drone over lak and Heath was a much better explanation than them flying all over you know

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Germany and the North Sea and ending up in eastern England which wouldn't be practical so you think that the European

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drone incursion is political uh in nature then right I think the timing um

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was was very very um evident uh evidence of that it was following the Storm

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Shadow Announcement by British mod and I think

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also the Drone idea the concept of drones as unconventional

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warfare was a kind of as I said my film it was putting the Willie up Britain

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because you know I I think that it was unconventional and that whoever did it

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um whoever it might be I I can't actually say but whoever did it um and

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it was probably humans um were sending a message I mean the drones were only

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there at night I mean you know ET would be there during the day I mean it's only at night they they were illuminated some

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of them um somebody I know who's called angry astronaut went out there he drove

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up he's American but was living in London and he drove up to Laken Heath and he saw one go over his head and he

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said it was almost had a small LED hanging underneath it now the reason they wanted it to be seen was because it

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was sending a message uh these are definitely uh trying to get the point

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across that they're flying round perimeter fences to make a point and I think I think it's related to the

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American things but I think there's something more going on in the United States which we which we should discuss

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and you mentioned the use of drone Warfare which I think uh Elon mus mentioned recently and it it terrifies

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me especially if you include AI onto it have you seen the videos out of the Ukraine where they like suicide drones

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flying into people blowing them up like that that's alarming to me and it makes me wonder I don't know about that

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particular incident but at least with the one going on in the United States right now like how can you leave these up like these things could have bombs on

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them Warheads on them they could fly into people and blow them up I mean that would be the message yeah yeah I mean

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what they did in Britain was just fly around the damn defense and you know the reaction was send up the F-15 well

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that's rubbish I mean an F-15 is minimum air speed as you would know is like maybe 100 knots and you know and the

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drones like 20t above the ground going at 10 mil hour over defense wo you know

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with a bomb and yeah no I did a film uh and I just did like you I researched

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some Ukrainian Drone footage I had to be really careful you know to choose what I

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actually could show because yeah no they're Su you they Ukraine are very successful and Russia are also using

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them in the Ukrainian conflict very successfully I mean you can literally with a 3D printer uh make your own drone

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and drop something nasty onto your enemy uh AB happen so what do you think's

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going on in the United States version what have you seen have you seen anything that's compelling to you from a

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video perspective for me just throwing it out there most of what I've seen looks like airplanes

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or misidentified objects I've seen a couple videos that seem to show some

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magnification of something that maybe might have some kind of field electromagnetic field around it but it could also just be a blurry like a

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autofocus star so what is your thoughts um I definitely agree Ashton I think

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that I haven't seen any definite evidence somebody pointed me very pointedly you know today to look at a um

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a certified Pilots um sighting in Oregon um with their Air Traffic Control uh

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interaction where he saw a red light and other Pilots saw this as well in the sky

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I think probably quite near Portland but I'm not sure and then he shot some cockpit footage and it I'm sorry to say

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it was it was an out of focus um orb and it wasn't an orb it was just something

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out focused so I couldn't say exactly what it is but here's I don't think I

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think we're missing the point I think what the drones represent in the United

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States is something much more important really F what the drones are I think

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that is not the important thing the important thing is that these

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drones are unknown and nobody in American government are reacting to it

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very sensibly and the the public reaction to that is fear and I think

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it's a py actually it is an attack but I think it's psychological warfare to an

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extent it doesn't matter what these objects are some will be quadcopters being tested which is which

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ISR uh some will be copycat home DJI drones um some might be unknown I I but

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I doubt it somehow and a lot will be just um a lot of drone sighting somebody

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said to me somebody sees a drone over there and then somebody sees the same drone and films it from over there

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suddenly you've got two drones well you haven't necessarily they were you know you've got a perspective on the same uh

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light in the sky but we are under attack the United States is current and Britain

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as well is currently under attack this is psychological this is having a very

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very strong effect it's people are frightened people are worried people are concerned Why their government

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specifically well in Britain as well but very much in the United States aren the

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FBI go on TV and go I don't know what it is well that's a pathetic answer um you

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know we have this problem and you live in the very state which is the key to

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the answer you had the wonderful FBI officer who called in I

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know somebody in Minnesota who's doing Flight Training and doesn't want to land and it was ignored it wasn't passed on

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and we all know where that went and I think I'm seeing as a non American I'm seeing a disconnect between agencies you

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know where is Homeland Security that was set up post 911 to actually cut the crap and actually go to the FAA look at New

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York trackon you know they have radar that could track these damn things from take off the landing you know go to all

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the agencies that you've got and come to some conclusion but by going on CNN and TV and and all the news stations and

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having Clips saying I have no idea we don't think it's anything we could worry

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about is just causing mass panic and I think whoever is doing it if it is organized is going it's working

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chaps yeah I I don't believe for a second that they don't know exactly what these things are now I do know the

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government is inefficient and that these organizations may not communicate to one another I don't really think that the

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FBI Homeland Security by themselves would have any inside information they would need like satellite footage or

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some of the other Advan they could have right yeah and that's the thing so and it seems like you know so I would be

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looking at the nro the NSA the NGA these people that have they know what's going on the question then is why are they not

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relaying that information to the local authorities so that the information can be disseminated to the public and to

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your point it does seem kind of like a psychological operation where you know people are freaking out there's Mass

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hysteria going on right now in the United States I would even go so far as to say it's Mass formation psychosis

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once again where people now have this idea in their head that there are these things flying around in the sky and like

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you said I a great point that maybe it doesn't even matter what they are you know that there's something up there and now every single person's going out

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there at night and they're filming stuff and they're seeing a lot of normal stuff and they're misattributing it and just we get this cycle where it just gets

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crazier and crazier and now you've got major influencers that never talk about the UFO topic and

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what have you all in on it so do you think oh you nailed it you absolutely

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nailed it I mean that's exactly how as an outsider not living in the US as I'm seeing it the effect of whatever the fds

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are um is tremendous it's actually is an attack is it inter internal is it

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external is it just hysterical reaction but it's it's it's definitely um causing

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a lot of chaos and people need it needs to be sorted out pretty damn quick do

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you think it could be related to the recent United States election with uh Donald Trump switching over any thoughts

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on that um sure I I I it seems like a

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possibility I mean it you know if you were going to cause real disruption

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before the um Democratic takeover by Donald Trump because he was elected um

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you could easily cause an awful lot of disarray um to an incumbent you know uh

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person who's about to take the office by having a hell of a hell of a flap in your country uh which you could then you

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know fix by methods which might be quite Draconian and yeah no I I I mean I I I

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think I mean if I had to put money on it I think that's actually more likely than it's the ruskies or the Chinese or the

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Iranian Mothership I think they're all quite hysterical but that's part of the hysteria and the other thing I'd like to

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say I mean this is very controversial viewers is I think we're actually seeing

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us the so-called UFO Community if that's what we are I don't know um being um slightly

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used in this because I don't think we or our community of people who are invested or interested in the abnormal Al

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paranormal are reacting very well I think we are actually being a bit hysterical um and I think that's part of

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it maybe this is a a plot you know non-critical thinkers who want to

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believe one thing or another who are very set in their ways manipulate the buckers you know

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excuse my yeah this is where I would throw some criticism and shade on the UFO Community where buying into the

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Masseria here is how you get yourself discredited as well well because you know I think everybody's really

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desperate for alien disclosure UFO disclosure in general and if it turns

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out to be a mockery then this is why people don't take you serious especially if you're just filming like airplanes in the sky and saying that oh the UFOs are

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morphing into the airplanes because you know like that kind of stuff you know people I mean my iPad is just it's just

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full of that I mean it's just message after message They're copying us they're

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you know Sur is telling me their time travelers you know their meta materials of uh you know Yuri gella's telling me

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all this stuff I you know you're probably reading the same emails Ashton and you know and I'm going stop now stop

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I mean let's be slightly more objective about this um and at the same time we've

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got this hysteria going on we've got a lot of frightened people and we've got a government that's doing F all I mean get

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it together people unless it's intentional do you think so I we're kind

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of we're tap dancing around are thing which is do you think this is Project

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Blue beam which is the fake Alien Invasion or whatever like so now I'm starting to wonder this thing's been

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going on for so long and it's so disruptive to all the points that you made in the last 15 minutes it's like

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this seems like it's just to freak people out it doesn't matter what they are and the only explanation I can come

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up with who's respons responsible is my own government some something related to America because if it was anything else

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we'd be knocking it out of the sky it'd be too dangerous so I sit there and I think man maybe this is a Project Blue

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Bean but they just can't even pull it off like I don't know what are your thoughts um I have a very did you know

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about me Donald Trump and um Project Blue beam uh story oh God Now's the Time

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I know I know oh actually tell me tell us the story okay so when I was um

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seriously misquoted about imminent alien contact

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um it was seen um by um a Lobby group um part of

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No Doubt the Donald Trump organization that I as a European um non-american

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non- voting person was possibly um invok an

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alien were coming as this as this uh whatever it's called Blue something yeah

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I it was completely rubbish and so pretending like he doesn't know what blue beam is everybody Professor Simon's the one who's pushing the Project Blue

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just yeah blue yeah exact yeah that's sorry I don't even know it's called because it is completely rubbish but it

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didn't come from I mean somebody spread that as a rumor and I got an awful lot of comments saying um you know that I

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was Pro um Kamala I don't even know who she is I'm

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I'm British I live in France and and and I was dissing Donald because I was I was

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evoking the you know the story went when somebody explained it to me I asked a

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friend in America and who who agreed that I was being dissed by people in

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that camp and they were saying oh yeah it's the old um Veron braw deathbed

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message where um Alien Invasion will be used as a political influence um just before a

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large political event and I was going it's me oh crap it was like it wasn't

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actually me but I mean so um yeah now I was and then I read it in newspapers and

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things it's like oh oh so but is this one really is this are the drones really

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blue beam I don't know but yeah yeah I Ashton would knowledge of we're not

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alone in the universe or um definite confirmation of of Highly strange um UAP

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or ET presence actually have that effect I mean would would it actually work yeah

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that's a great question Simon I don't think that it would anymore I know it work on me I personally don't care about

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aliens I think alien can come knock them my door and you know it it wouldn't matter I would still be going to work

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tomorrow just be like hey whatever I assume there life out there somewhere it's a big universe so I've never thought we're just alone in the universe

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but and I think that a lot of people too now have just become so disaffected with everything going on where it's like you

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see the meme out there where it's like hi I'm an alien it's like aren't you freaked out like nah I got a lot of stuff going on right now you know it's

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like and this is where I think the UFO Community is kind of fallen behind where it's like in the 90s with xiles and

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everything aliens were this big Revelation where we were opening our minds to not being alone in the universe

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but now I feel like it's not even that big a thing it's kind of like a speed bump and so that's why I look at this I

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go maybe this is Project Blue beam and maybe it was like it was just we've outgrown that and it's not gonna have

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the same psychological impact anymore but let me ask you about the seti thing

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because you brought that up I was following that you were making a lot of waves you were in a lot of newspaper

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articles ere about that so what is the background story for oh good how you got

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made aware of that because we spoke I think right before a few months before that went down and we were talking about

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fast light communication things like that and I saw that I was like oh wow Professor Simon's like going viral now

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because they are saying that you're like this expert and they always kind of like you know oh I know I got called all kind

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of things yeah yeah ET NASA filmmaker yeah that's great so set the records

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straight yeah NASA filmmaker I remember seen that set the records straightfor us on that like how what kind of

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information came to you how credible did you deem it and I still do yeah there's

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way thank you yeah hi everybody let's set the record straight I like that

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that's great uh no everything that I said was actually true and I think it's

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very interesting um the reaction against it and I think that's the story that people didn't understand you know so

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many people today are saying say you said they would be here next week and it's been a month and they're still not

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I going no that's the real story um so

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just give my Spiel of how this whole thing came about

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so um Drake and Sean set up seti and they decided that they didn't have

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enough money and Telescope time to listen to the entire radio spectrum of the um visible Universe the listenable

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universe so uh they just thought that when you turn on a a regu telescope

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which I've done many times you hear hydrogen Buzz it's a big buzz which you

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then filter out to listen to The Quiet Things That You're trying to find in the universe so Drake and San said as we

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can't listen to everything we assume that aliens will um communicate and say

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hello on the hydrogen Wave band because they would know that we could hear it it was a terrible waste of time you know

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from 1960s right up into the '90s the only money that they had because seti is

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a self-funded organization with no government money was to listen in the hydrogen band for for aliens going hello

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and they never heard anybody nobody ever they never heard a thing uh odd signals

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were found like the wow signal outside of the hydrogen band but by the 1990s um

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the technology to record uh on a datab base on a on a hard

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drive um a wider bandwidth than just the hydrogen band got around and they had

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some bit more money and they used Green Bank radio telescope and they recorded

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wide band everything not only the hydrogen teeny band but everything but then seti didn't have any way of

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processing the signal they wrote an algorithm that could filter to see if uh

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there was a narrow band signal if it was a single point source and if it was um coming from an exit planet and those

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three things they put into a piece of software called setti at home and you and I and millions of people downloaded

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it as a screen saver and what they did is send a little chunk of this wide

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signal which they couldn't process effectively to everybody at home and you filtered it through and to see if there

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was a candidate and word candidate I'll mention a couple of times um and um it

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was so popular I know people who work for people like um

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Texico literally I do who was the IT person and it was his it was up to him

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to put a screen saver on a thousand million PCS all around the world and he

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chose to set it home and set it home became a victim of its own success and they didn't want to let people down so

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they sent they rescanned the Sky that's really important it's not the same scan

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sent multiple times they actually rescan the sky and uh sent it out to lots more

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people and the software was open source uh and a few candidates were found but

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not very many but a very smart this is how I heard the story a very smart

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statistician and and mathematician in a large Central Italian University I don't

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want to say his name um part first the open source setti at home information

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and found five candidates that had were narrow band coming from an exoplanet um

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and had all the characteristics of our single point source right I mean they were definitely they were candidates so

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they would call C for candidates Along Came Yuri Milner and set up an organization called breakthrough listen

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with lots of money and they bought as much telescope time at Green Bank in the northern hemisphere um and places like

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like parks in the southern hemisphere in Australia and they immediately went to the five candidates and called them BLC

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breakr list and candidate one to five and blc1 was the first one they looked

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at because it's the closest to Earth it's in the alpha centuy system it's a

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planet orbiting a a star which is 4.8 light years away and it's really important that it's 4.8 light years

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because it's possible to find a technological signature that's 100,000 light years away but that means at the

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speed of light the information you're getting is 100,000 years old and imagine

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how we've evolved over that time so so one that's 4.8 years old is relevant and

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you know and and very interesting so they did that one first also at the time

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um back in the early 2000s they um they had single telescopes Green Bank is

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great Parks is great and they're trackable dishes stable dishes um but today we've moved on and and that's part

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of my story to much bigger networked uh arrays um but they looked at blc1

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breakthrough list and candidate one from the setti information and they found it was a single point source they found

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that it was a very narrow band of electromagnetic frequency and

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unfortunately it was also very low level Liz low information zone so they published a paper saying we can't

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confirm that it's um that it is a technological signature I also have to

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say what that is so we're not looking anymore for aliens going hello we're looking for the buzz of an alien

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civilization that might be using electromagnetic frequency to do everyday

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things if they are and it's a good place to look they're also looking for lasers

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there are also looking for structures even and there are very very much and have found this is very important to

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know biological signatures by looking through the atmosphere of a planet

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exoplanet that is transiting its star and you can now look in the narrow slit

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of its atmosphere and analyze it and bio signatures have been found now over a

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year ago by a group uh doing a spectral analysis of a of an exoplanet's

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atmosphere not the same one as blc1 but another proof that there's some kind of

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nonhuman life forms out there I mean that's all we really need yeah blc1 um

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they published saying we can't confirm it and that's what everybody quotes back at me saying it was interference but

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hang on let me explain something sure so you've got the let me make a so just to

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clarify real quick so you're saying that your information's coming from related to blc1 or is it separate from blc1 no

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it it was it was very much about blc1 um from my

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source who said that blc1 is a genuine signal that was detected in 2019 right

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yeah yeah exactly and and it well the signal existed beforeand it was a candidate from seti okay bre through

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listen I spoke to Andrew Simeon um Dr

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and Sim who's the principal investigator breakthrough Listen to I mean he told me this that blc1 is still a candidate

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and um but the unlikeliness of it being

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human interference is this there's the telescope and there's the um there's the

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the exoplanet and it's if you turn the telescope away the signal goes if you

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point it at my finger it's there if you turn it away it goes so it's coming from a single point source and it's narrow

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well what they're saying is there is something manmade between the telescope

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and the exoplanet that's in lock step with the exoplanet and it's transmitting

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a very strange nonobvious electromagnetic spectrum okay

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so what's between Earth parks and Alpha centuri there isn't anything I mean so

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saying it's a human signal you could immediately say oh it's a Russian Cosmos satellite well there isn't one and it

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tracks in the same way it's following the exoplanet and that was the end of

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their report but what happened next is the Clincher what they found with the

33:39

signal is that the signal is Doppler shifted that means they managed to track

33:44

with parks for as long as the exoplanet no that's not my finger is the exoplanet

33:50

as as long as the exop planet orbited they followed it and then it went and

33:55

then they were in Australia and they went around the Earth and then they picked it up again and in that time that they could track it they found that the

34:02

electromagnetic spectrum from this single point source was either um if it

34:07

was light blue or red shifted or Doppler shifted up or down as you can know um

34:13

and the Doppler shift of the signal is the same speed as the rotation of the

34:20

planet so if it isn't coming from that planet it's coming from something in

34:26

space that's lined up up with Australia that's using very strange frequencies

34:32

that humans don't normally use and it's rotating at the same speed as the planet I mean it the question I as an

34:40

investigator immediately said when people said rubbish to me was why are

34:45

they lying I mean what is it that they why are they wanting not to say that

34:50

they found a very good signal because by saying that it could be human interference but not having any source

34:58

they're covering something up and um so I went back to my contact who told me

35:03

about this story originally and said why are they lying um and he said oh you

35:09

need to know who uh Peter Shankle is I'd never heard of that name he is an adviser to seti and he

35:17

told seti whose whose uh mission statement is tell the world not to tell

35:23

the world he advised them that if seti or bre listen who probably going along with the same protocol find a weak

35:31

unconfirmed but very good candidate they did don't say anything because

35:38

immediately and I prove this my viewers prove this immediately you say I think

35:43

you found we found a technological signature everybody says what do they

35:49

look like what are they saying you well stop stop you know we found a buzz

35:56

coming it might might be rocks rubbing together but we found a buzz of a technological signature you know are

36:02

they blue is a stupid question but that's what Shankle told seti if you are

36:07

at least three steps ahead of the general public what will happen is that seti will be thrown out with the

36:14

bathwater and they'll get they'll get Gypsy Rose Lee to answer the stupid

36:20

questions and the science will be blown away so be if you find a signal shut up

36:27

you start telling governments and they have told governments and they've told the Vatican uh and the British

36:33

government I read report that they've published have got now an advisory of

36:39

what we how they would exploit which is very typical British um um the

36:44

confirmation of ET and their exploitation was building better telescopes um and that's the real story

36:53

the signal is real but somebody's doesn't want want it to be published um

37:00

and then since blc1 and Parks Europe and EU Horizon fund which

37:06

is the largest science Fund in the on the planet you know a bit like National Science Foundation but even bigger have

37:13

done this networked uh idea we can now Network the square kilometer array a big

37:20

radio telescope in South Africa and all the loar and Jal Bank telescopes that

37:27

which are already networked in Europe to make an ear the size of our planet and

37:32

since then an organization called Astron um who also are keeping quite quiet um

37:39

are finding evidence of technological signatures we have the tools in 2024 to

37:46

prove that we're not alone in the universe we have the biological signature and we have very good

37:51

confirmation um personally as a pundit I think the public should know this but I

37:58

now I understand why it was immediately blocked and um nobody would I was very

38:06

alone I was very friendly with people like Jill tartter who's the used to be

38:11

the head of seti I worked with Jill and she wouldn't return my phone call and

38:17

the Press person from seti um and I'm sure I'm not on the bre through listen

38:22

um christas card list anymore um well so let me jump in here

38:27

because I I have a lot of questions you gave us a lot of really good information for the viewers no I ask details go yeah

38:34

cuz for me I think the biggest thing was and this isn't something I didn't I didn't realize because it's getting misreported in the news that oh we've

38:41

got some you know we're we we received some message from the aliens like that's basically how it's being reported but

38:48

the way you just described it is no we're seeing something that appears to be a techno signature a buzz like you

38:53

know a buzz that we're seeing out there that's a big difference but it's also very important and then like you said everybody just wants answers out there

39:01

to me this is very similar to what the detection of seasonal methane on Mars

39:08

where we detected seasonal methane on Mars which is a bio signature it doesn't mean that there's little Little Green

39:14

Men on Mars but it could mean there's um bacteria which would be huge right and

39:20

it doesn't get reported on it just because I don't know people just don't want to accept it or they they I think

39:26

the the standard of evidence proof is like so high you know as opposed to like hey here's this pretty incredible

39:32

information and this data point that would indicate there might be something more going on there and I think James

39:38

Webb right now as well is actually like you said scanning on um what is it on uh

39:44

uh for the various chemicals that we see when the the planets go in front of the stars and you can actually get uh a

39:52

spectrum analysis of we're there and if you see Organics or things that are consistent like uh methane's one of

39:58

those things that might indicate there's stuff there so the big thing though you said is that this is coming from alpha

40:05

you know alpha centuri or you know one of our closest stars that we have and if

40:11

we find some type of techno signature that close that would indicate life's

40:17

got to be everywhere right yeah I mean it's just they B LC one was the closest

40:24

because they had it was it was a better signal and it was also not very old um but yeah right um life is going to be

40:32

everywhere but it doesn't have to be um it doesn't have to be uh people in flying sourcers I mean

40:40

look at our planet I live on a farm you know I've just gone out five minutes ago

40:46

and fed my goats I mean they are a life form they're an intelligent species but

40:51

they don't drive Teslas I don't hope not and you know they um they hang on no

40:59

no no but I aliens are going to be in

41:04

the chap Val phrase highly strange I mean they're not or in the Star Trek

41:09

phrase it's life gy but not as we know it I mean I I think it's amazing I think

41:16

the technological signature is really interesting because it implies that um

41:22

that they they are using electromagnetic frequencies which is a bit odd really

41:29

because we as a planet are moving away from em I mean it's em if you start off

41:36

with kind of radio telep you know radio and Marone we're now mainly fiber optic

41:43

and and we're not actually transmitting signals um Through The Ether or whatever

41:50

you know anymore so it might be a bubble of a technological race who uses

41:56

electromagnetic Spectrum although we still kind of like to use it for things

42:01

like radar and satellite communication makes sense um the the other thing that

42:09

break through listen said to me I'm sorry to interrupt it's just a really great fact he said that um does James

42:18

web can find spectral technical technological signatures I said I don't

42:26

understand he said not Only Could you find methane or evidence of respiratory and life and other chemicals which are

42:33

normally associated with creatures you might find floro carbines you might find

42:39

a chemical in their atmosphere which could o which isn't a natural uh

42:45

molecule it's something that had to be constructed and that would be a technological spectral signature sorry

42:53

wow yeah and so the alien thing is really interesting because I I was like you a couple years ago where

42:59

I thought they're going to be way different than us and I still think that aliens would be way different that we can't really even it's not necessar just

43:06

going to be like humanoids but then I think there's also the other side of the Spectrum which what if they like are exactly like us like what if we are the

43:13

aliens and somebody dropped us off here and we forgotten our history or something too like honestly both options seem plausible to me um but the point

43:21

you brought up what I really want to dig into is the method of communication which is okay like the EM thing like you

43:29

that was a great point you bring up is like isn't it kind of weird that we would detect an electromagnetic

43:34

signature if we're moving away from that and this is the part where I think human hubris comes into play where we think oh

43:40

we've Advanced everything there is I remember watching a show like over a decade ago where they were going through

43:46

seti and these signatures and that we hadn't had a lot of luck in finding stuff and and somebody comes and points

43:52

out well what if we're looking we're not looking for the right thing we're not looking at the right bandwidth or you

43:58

know we're not looking for the right message that these aliens or whatever they are are using a different method of

44:04

communication and the thing that I've researched in the last year that has really blown me away is gravity waves

44:10

you were mentioning the thing about The Ether before which you know if if people Google Hal poff's patent you're going to

44:17

find out he's got something called communication system and in it it is a communication method with no

44:23

electromagnetic signature and instead it uses uh Force free correct me if I'm wrong

44:31

here people can fact check me but it's like force free uh communication beaming

44:36

it basically Through The Ether right and to me that is a it's a scaler uh

44:42

communication system or I would call it a gravity Communication System I think that in order to not uh ruffle people's

44:49

feathers they call it like a Quantum communication system oh the badly misused word yeah I agree yes exactly

44:56

but that's how they get people to not like say oh this is pseudo science basically um but what do you think about

45:03

that idea and could something like that because Robert ml Baker was a locked

45:08

Martin engineer and he wrote over a dozen papers on high frequency gravitational waves and using them for

45:14

communication as one of the methods that they could be used for and I think oh well doesn't that make way more sense is

45:20

that they're using something that we are not using right now conventionally that

45:25

we aren't even looking for out there and that if we have a high frequency gravitational wave detector maybe we

45:31

start seeing these things everywhere out in the universe and I'm curious your thoughts on that and then the other

45:37

thing I'm curious on is do you think that something like that could actually communicate faster than the speed of

45:43

light uh yeah it does oh that's a big statement

45:48

yeah yeah um that's I hadn't considered gravity

45:54

waves but very interestingly Ashton that a number of new

46:01

ligo um instruments have been built um certainly gravity waves are being looked

46:08

at and investigated uh by um all over the world right now um the sensitivity

46:16

of the original system has been incredibly increased I was thinking of doing a film about it so I was researching it but there's now um

46:23

gravity wave detectors all over the world um certainly in China and in

46:28

Europe as well as the one out in probably Oregon I think it is the

46:34

original one I think it's near Hartford and um but um Hal put offs on to something as

46:43

well he's an interesting person to follow um but I got

46:51

told about this guy called Gunter Nimitz

46:57

right so Gunter is a now in his late 80s 90s he isn't

47:04

available on social media he is a retired very senior physicist at cologne

47:11

University and he experimented at the early 2000s with

47:17

what he call Quantum tunnel communication um and what he discovered

47:24

with an experiment which is reproducible in your bedroom and he did it with

47:29

undergraduate students in a laboratory is he can send a

47:35

microwave Source but it interestingly it doesn't have to be microwaves it could be any it could be light but anything he

47:43

can send but in his case it was microwave uh through a device and then

47:48

have an air gap of a few meters to a receiver and what he discovered is that

47:55

he knows the time the signal would take from the source to the receiver and of

48:00

course it would Transit that time and there would be a distinct speed of light communication but he found that by

48:06

putting it into this um this tunnel transmitter that when it exited the

48:13

tunnel transmitter it entered the re tunnel receiver instantaneously the gap

48:21

between the transmitter and the receiver was non-existent and as he moved them

48:28

further apart the signal I mean there was a slight delay of it going in and a

48:34

slight delay of it coming out but the bit in between which could be a meter or could be a 100 million lighter that's

48:40

his point was in instantaneous when the signal

48:47

transited space it was like somebody told me this

48:52

the person who told me this it's like you're pushing on a rod you push this end and the other end is moving there is

49:00

a direct connection it isn't a wave it's not an energy with a Time base it is

49:07

just a a connection and that connection makes a lot of sense oh I'm going to

49:12

have to use the word Quantum in the quantum world or the subatomic world where we have a world which is not like

49:19

the far-field world that we live in but we have a world where everything is we know that everything is connected so if

49:26

is it connected in a way where you can put a signal in and receive it out without a delay and he demonstrates

49:37

this he immediately gave that idea to a group

49:44

that I'm associated with or know of in Europe as a receiver on radio telescopes

49:52

he said put one on the radio telescope sorry he's not Scottish but put one on a

49:57

radio telescope and see if the aliens are using my form of instant communication because they' be really

50:04

smart if they did um um and so strapped

50:09

on the side of a whole bunch and I know where they are and I'm not saying regi telescopes just a part of a network in

50:15

Europe are Gunter nimitz's receivers and really yeah you know that for a

50:22

fact yeah you can read the funding for it I mean and there was a there was a

50:28

conference in Cologne where the radio telescope administrators from EU went to

50:35

see the demonstration they were very skeptical the head of seti from the US was there and he had a conion supposedly

50:44

he absolutely hated it and stormed out and is dissing what gter nimit is doing

50:50

but some people there um I I he's a very famous person um John Michael goodier

50:56

had him on and he's really full of himself but one of the people there I can't remember his name one of the

51:02

people there at the meeting is my contact and he said we're interested um

51:07

can you make one and we'll strap it nicely on one of our European telescopes

51:14

and um what have they heard they're not saying so do you have reason to believe

51:21

that something any type of communication there's been some success with that I

51:27

um I have no reason to believe that no all I know is that they it's another

51:33

tool which they are using obviously my contact who's very excited

51:41

and was part of the project to putting these retrofitting these telescopes with this device said if we ever did find a

51:48

signal and I'm I'm not at Liberty to say anything more um it would then open the

51:55

opportunity to to speak back but then we talked over the phone a long time about the

52:02

difficulty of communication I mean how do you communicate with somebody who has no references to you so the actual techn

52:10

technological sign way of communicating might be crackable but then how do you

52:16

take it to the next level if we ever find um if we ever heard a signal that

52:22

was using this but it would be it would make so much sense that an advanced race

52:28

and maybe we humans are slowly getting into that level

52:34

would let me ask a couple quick questions real quick if you don't mind because first of all what you just said right there uh is huge is that how do we

52:40

even communicate you know I was like okay it's one thing to say that we get a signature but like it's not like they're speaking English to us you know like are

52:48

we going to speak in Morris code or you know this is almost like the movie contacts you know it's like what are

52:53

they going to send us like prime numbers or what are they going to do prime numbers even that would be impossible I

52:58

mean I think the movie arrival was better at that I mean you know I think I think we don't have the ability to talk

53:05

to squids so you know and they you know we eat them unfortunately but I mean

53:11

they're very highly evolved and very highly intelligent have been on this planet our Earth for longer than humans

53:18

and we can't bloody talk to them how pathetic is that so how are we going to talk to the aliens and you know and as

53:25

you say do they talk do they is is there a

53:31

concept of of color I mean we are so human in the way that we our tiny

53:36

spectrum that we our eyes see and our ears can hear and our feeling and touch and our gravity you know we're people of

53:44

Earth so we can't even assume that they would know what a ball

53:49

is you know if you speak to a child in a different language yeah you could show them a ball and they would immediately

53:56

know it was round and they could bounce it or play with it even if they didn't know the language to talk to you in you

54:03

know from a foreign country but an alien might not even know what a around thing

54:08

is you know it would be very it would be incredibly challenging and fantastic

54:14

yeah the part that really also is like people don't realize why would we think aliens would have the same concept of

54:19

time that we do as well that might they might even have the same concept as time like it's like the movie Lord of the Rings with the ants the tree people or

54:26

whatever like their concept of time is different moves much slower than our concept of time can you imagine how

54:32

difficult it would be to communicate with a species where our concepts of time are different or like in the movie

54:37

arrival where they like somehow kind of see the future and the past all yeah exactly like a circle circle I know this

54:45

is where like I think the UFO Community specifically really needs to update some of their narratives because a lot of it's like oh all the aliens are

54:50

telepathic it's like okay well I mean maybe but you know I think the bigger issue is like do they even have the same

54:58

concepts of of morality Consciousness time these things right like those are

55:04

huge differences that could make it very difficult to have any type of uh formal communication right totally totally

55:12

totally agree I couldn't I mean yeah I've done films about what what I call time base and all you have to do is f

55:19

with a Time base and suddenly we've had this in science fiction um you know

55:24

fiction where something is moving so fast that you don't see it because because we can't scan it and it appears

55:31

like a a buzz there episodes of Star Trek and things where the thing was moving so fast they couldn't see it

55:38

until they got into their time base or things that move so incredibly slowly

55:43

that we think it's a rock but in fact the rock is moving but we it moves over 10,000 years so yeah no you're right and

55:51

then in the in the subatomic World um the concept of time is very different um

55:58

uh one of the things that have been fascinating me in a film that I just published today is about remote viewing

56:06

and how um by tapping into um probably

56:12

how our brain has um a Quantum aspect to

56:18

how it works you know we are fundamentally Quantum inside our atoms but we're far- filled you know beings

56:25

but we have a a connection to a spiritual connection to the to a Timeless connected Universe we we call

56:33

it God we call it religion but um one of the explanations um of of remote viewing

56:42

is are these microt tual ideas that we have in our brain which are physical objects in our brain that Dr Roger

56:49

Penrose is talking about and anesthesiologist are talking about it's fantastic and it's possible that remote

56:55

viewing uh people who have that way of looking into the near future as we all do um but

57:04

some of them are better at it than us um could tap into a a Timeless realm so

57:11

time doesn't the future the present and the past doesn't exist so

57:20

um speaking to Russell tar and halut off um about the about remote viewing

57:26

literally yesterday Ashton uh it seems to me that the way that remote viewing

57:33

Works was very much tapping into some type of Timeless realm and that the

57:39

remote viewers through an emotional connection in the future it had to be an

57:44

emotional connection could recall the future in the past

57:50

so it it that's how they made it work it wasn't it wasn't looking at underground

57:56

secret laboratory in Russia at a distance it was about seeing through time yeah retro causality right

58:04

retrocausality it's a and there's an experiment that actually supports the notion of retrocausality called the

58:09

delayed Choice Quantum eraser where there exactly yeah I looked at that

58:14

experiment and I saw people trying to debunk it and what have you and my interpretation was that it's clearly

58:20

sending information from the future to the present which is you know time travel and now to me it's it's just a

58:26

matter of what can you do with that and I think it's directly I all these Concepts you've been talking about for the last five minutes I think are related Gunter Nimitz and faster than

58:34

light device I mean if you look at that and the idea of quantum tunneling it's like it's jumping the gap between these

58:43

regions and how do you explain that you know I think the only way to explain it is the same way that you explain remote

58:48

viewing and it's quantum entanglement right it's quantum entanglement that all points in space and time must have some

58:55

connection is entangled right distance so do you think no

59:02

gravity yeah so do you think that there is like then like an ether or whatever like you

59:09

know what has been talked about since the time of Tesla is that how what is your views on how to rationalize how

59:15

that could be possible I think that's such a great question because I think I think we as scientists and science

59:22

investigators and I think what physics does is is look at the observable

59:28

effects of the universe and name it and I think the term ether describes um was

59:34

ahead of its time and I think um that as we discover the near field and farfield

59:41

and subatomic world uh is a is a giant connected Universe which is timeless

59:48

gravits and spaceless it it suddenly is closer to

59:53

the name ether that we uh um coined in the 19th century and in fact although

1:00:00

that name um had uh was dropped and we started talking about transmission by

1:00:08

radio over um through our kind of big nor Big Field space um I think as we

1:00:17

discovered quantum physics in the 1920s that term should come back because I

1:00:23

think there is an ether I think the ether is inside us all I think it's internal to our atomic structure and I

1:00:31

think as PE as beings or objects and I don't think humans are unique I think

1:00:38

humans we have a Consciousness because we're conscious of The Ether or we're

1:00:44

conscious of the quantum State now I think that anything that is farfi which

1:00:49

is Big Stuff might be aware or could well have a system that is aware of of a

1:00:57

larger connectivity birds for example are very high-end um Quantum brains they

1:01:05

can do calculations of navigation and Direction finding and other things and

1:01:11

in mythology birds are seen as this higher life form um than humans because

1:01:16

they have a they possibly have a way of being much more connected to our

1:01:22

connected um uh Quantum ether that's interesting that's my it's just

1:01:28

my opinion but no Ian it's not my opinion that people are doing the research yeah and I to me if if there is

1:01:36

an ether and maybe like energy is coming from this and thing all points in space and time are really connected then to me

1:01:41

it really does broach the idea of well where's Consciousness coming from is it coming from this ether is there a direct

1:01:47

connection that we have to it yes this is why I think the people that throw out how HUD off's research in the 70s

1:01:53

because they go oh remote viewings blah blah blah like I think that's a little bit um naive to do that because that the

1:02:02

basis for that is that we think we understand everything there is but we have all these experiments like the Gunter nimts experiment that seem to uh

1:02:10

counter indicate or counteract or contradict our understanding and I looked into gun nimts and in 2005 I

1:02:18

think he was he was supposed to do some type of demonstration and he just never showed up and it wasn't until I think

1:02:25

200 19 um that two I don't know if they were students recreated the experiment

1:02:31

and people have tested it and some people say well the distance is so short that it would basically be instantaneous

1:02:37

but we have detectors that can detect even you know short distances like that even at the speed of light and they

1:02:43

tested it and it was way too fast to be explained away as some sort of anomaly

1:02:49

in the measurement apparatus so what I think recently you did some kind of Deep

1:02:55

dive as well did you come to a similar conclusion that you know that that was actually his experiments was legit uh

1:03:01

yeah I did and uh I know somebody who was at the conference where

1:03:09

Gunter Nimitz turned up he didn't want to go on stage that day and he actually

1:03:16

sent um postgraduate students he desperately wanted to communicate with

1:03:21

European radio telescope people and the story that he didn't turn up is not true

1:03:28

um and that is just literally not true uh people did beat him that day uh but

1:03:35

he either it's badly reported or he didn't go on stage or there's some

1:03:40

confusion over that and that was it was very much used against him and

1:03:47

um it supposedly the bloke I know knows grunter quite well and he was there um

1:03:56

he just wasn't P very public supposedly or I don't know really what happened and

1:04:01

through the the postgraduate students at cologne did demonstrate it and that the

1:04:08

the one thing that gter Nimitz really peed off the science Community by saying

1:04:13

faster than the speed of light FTL yeah and that really pissed people off because so much science is anchored on

1:04:21

einsteinian physics that the speed of light is a barrier and he uh was really

1:04:29

wrong in saying that and what he should have said and what I'm going to say now

1:04:35

is mindboggling oh let me put full screen yeah don't for it okay okay so faster

1:04:41

than speed of light isn't possible in a framework of of Relativity of Relativity

1:04:47

I mean you can you can actually possibly go faster than you can appear to be going faster than the speed of light in

1:04:54

in a relative sense no I'm talking [ __ ] let me say it a different way what Gunter Nimitz did

1:05:01

with his um with his with his Quantum communication and that word is also

1:05:07

misused is he found that it wasn't faster than the speed of light it's

1:05:14

instantaneous there is no speed that's what he should have said that's what my

1:05:19

cont said as soon as he said FDL he got

1:05:24

laughed at because it still implies a speed but in fact what he found was it

1:05:30

enters and exit simultaneously he described it like I said like pushing on

1:05:35

the end of a rod or I used the demonstration which obviously isn't the

1:05:40

same but it's a good demonstration of those Newton's balls where you pull one out and it hits and the one at the end

1:05:47

flies out and goes like that now there is a shock wave of gravity on Earth

1:05:53

making that happen and it's just very f fast and we don't see it but it's a good analogy to what Gunter actually is

1:06:01

demonstrating you put the signal in and it comes out the other end at the same

1:06:07

time there isn't a wiggly bit in the middle Quantum and tanglement that's the only explanation I can come up with for

1:06:14

that um connect connectivity entanglement yeah quantum entanglement

1:06:20

two good words but we you know science and physics is continually redefining how we describe what we're observing and

1:06:28

as you said the what Russell Tark and how put off were doing through with SRI

1:06:35

and remote viewing was an application of quantum entanglement but at the time you

1:06:42

know they were doing it as an application for the CIA I mean because it it was a way of exploiting a uh um a

1:06:50

looking into the future never looking remotely but remotely into the future and uh

1:06:57

so at the time was that fully understood of what this how it really worked I

1:07:04

don't think it was I think um well put off's pretty smart so T but I think only

1:07:10

now are we understanding the quantum mechanics of of the nearfield that they

1:07:18

exploited and I think that's what you I everybody who's ever had an

1:07:24

anesthetic is is is is is being demonstrated

1:07:30

anesthesiology is a way of of dampening Consciousness and the thing that the way

1:07:37

the anesthetics work are really strange and there's a link between how our brain

1:07:43

works under anesthesia and how what structures in our brain might be in

1:07:48

touch with the nearfield quantum world now if we when we unpick that mystery

1:07:55

and that's going on right now U we've unlocked a way of instant communication

1:08:01

time travel um uh traveling faster than we want instantaneously maybe and

1:08:09

incredible distance communication and I think in 2024 we are living in an interesting

1:08:16

time we definitely have confirmation of ET uh although seti and Brit risten and

1:08:23

other groups are shy of saying it because they want to be ridiculed that's what I hear and I think that we're also

1:08:30

um there's large Investments right now into ether Quantum communication and um

1:08:38

and time time manipulation wow yeah that's really

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interesting and um I I want to kind of change gears a little bit but that that was an awesome discussion and I I really

1:08:49

happy enjoyed it yeah I'm happy to hear the thing about Gunter Nimitz um because

1:08:55

I I I just read Wikipedia that said that he didn't show up and that goes to show you probably shouldn't re believe

1:09:00

Wikipedia sure but one last question on that front but then I want to talk about one last topic um why do you think he

1:09:07

hasn't been more outspoken I mean it's 2024 like that's such a breakthrough thing I think it was like 2005 almost 20

1:09:13

years ago that he was yeah it's a good question I I don't know I I've reached out to him and his family and he's uh

1:09:21

late ' 80s early '90s and doesn't want to talk about it um I think the oh if you go to cologne and you go to

1:09:28

his physics department there's people there who will talk about it um in in German we feel free to go and talk to

1:09:35

them the the there is in that University in the hallway is the good to nimit

1:09:42

original kit they're very yeah they're very proud of it this is you know we we

1:09:47

we we are still heathens we still ignore people who talk French or German I mean

1:09:55

get alive people use Google Translate I mean honestly I mean so much science has

1:10:01

been limited over the years by language and uh I I think that there is quite a

1:10:09

good reason that I can't actually tell you about what the outcome of putting

1:10:15

the nimit receivers on the telescopes and I think that is also connected with

1:10:22

um with seti and Bret risten not wanting to um Spill the Beans quite yet although

1:10:30

I think we're in a in a stage politically where humans are ready I

1:10:36

think you with these drones I think if it's ET if we definitely confirm UAP are

1:10:41

real we know Europe are real all over the world um I think we are now smart

1:10:47

enough uh not to be War the world's panicked and I think um we should start

1:10:54

hearing these things um and I think people should be open to the idea uh let

1:11:01

me ask you this what what is your favorite non-human intelligence hypothesis presumably you're familiar

1:11:07

with all different options I'll throw a few out there uh some people said stuff like future humans demons angels of

1:11:13

course extraterrestrials is an option um ultraterrestrials you know there's a lot

1:11:19

of different options out there AI things like that what is your favorite Theory

1:11:25

uh well I got quite a few really I mean I think I'm open to all of them um I'm I'm

1:11:32

not particularly closed I mean I I start thinking um that even you know as you

1:11:38

say demons and angels and things might be a way of interpreting things that people you know to put them in more

1:11:45

human terms um I think there's life in our universe it's so unlikely that there

1:11:51

isn't um Salient life out there or biological life for some type or very

1:11:56

different life um I I think that it is um quite unlikely that living

1:12:06

extraterrestrials necessarily need to visit planet Earth in our atmosphere I

1:12:12

think it's quite likely more likely that they would send if they're interested in us and I think we might be vaguely

1:12:20

interesting that they would send a a mechanical probe

1:12:25

that would Circle the Sun for power communicate between stars to make a network um or be on the rings of Saturn

1:12:34

or the moon um or maybe maybe a couple of objects have been put in the ocean

1:12:39

why not drop a couple in the Pacific um but they're not flying around um but

1:12:46

what are UAP I mean UAP are real this country is you know I'm always shouting

1:12:52

this you know the Britain officially said UAP are real in 2000 with a cond

1:12:58

report and France and Brazil have said the same it's only the US are still debating it you know get a life um um

1:13:08

although on the other hand it's the US who came up with the six observables five observables and the six of human

1:13:15

injury which is interesting and those observables were were coined by uh us uh

1:13:23

defense contractors so so they know UAP are real um it's just that it's not

1:13:29

quite reached Washington yet and the public in Britain everybody knows UAP are real I mean in France you can go I

1:13:37

can literally tell my local police officer and he would file a report with

1:13:42

the French government with that would go on a database and they're not going you're mad you know you saw something

1:13:49

crazy you know they would just say yeah where do you see it you know it's a it

1:13:54

it and they would assess it and they would look at other sightings um so yeah

1:14:00

we there's things in the sky there things visiting us um I think it's unlikely to be living creatures I think

1:14:07

it's more likely to be either multi-dimensional things that can go very fast I think I think oh do you know

1:14:15

the whole um blue shift yeah Hal P off mentioned that in a

1:14:22

video I was watching that yes way I think it's like the way they're manipulating like SpaceTime causes a

1:14:29

blue shift effect which can push the electromagnetic waves into the visible frequency range or it can push it to the

1:14:36

ultraviolet where it might give you Burns is that what you're getting at or higher into even more dangerous

1:14:42

frequencies yes that very that very uh talk that you gave which is very

1:14:48

interesting it turns out that what he's saying isn't speculative if you do a war

1:14:55

Drive mhm the frequencies counter intuitively um blue shift when an object

1:15:02

is departing rather than red shift which you would expect when it was going away and there's definite um huh evidence of

1:15:11

people who have been injured by uh frequencies that have suddenly gone up I mean sunburn is a classic thing I mean

1:15:18

we saw that in movies but movies are often have very good science advisors

1:15:23

and uh the some of the injuries at rendam Forest were from high frequencies

1:15:29

and those high frequencies uh could have easily been produced by something departing and going out of the visible

1:15:37

spectrum into the UV or even beyond that to the point where they become um you

1:15:42

know ionizing uh frequencies and yeah yes that that takes me to the last kind

1:15:49

of topic that I wanted to talk to you about which is more people related to Hal off I don't know how everybody out there is related to him but he also

1:15:54

worked with the guy at SRI named Ken shoulders oh yeah in the late in the late 80s Ken shoulders discovered exotic

1:16:01

vacuum objects which he said were balls of plasma that were self-organizing into

1:16:06

a sphere and self- sustaining and he called them exotic vacuum objects because he thought they were cohering

1:16:12

energy directly from the vacuum and then another guy named Eric W Davis who is

1:16:18

actually Hal P off's number two guy Chief uh science officer at earthtech

1:16:24

right now wrote a paper in 2004 called ball lightning study which was something I had never understood but when you read

1:16:31

it you realize he's talking about balls of plasma and ways you can use them to

1:16:36

extract energy now I look at this whole drone situation that we were talking about at the beginning of the interview yeah and I kind of Wonder like are we

1:16:43

using the word drone in to be kind of a little bit misleading because now if I

1:16:50

piece things together I go well we've got this guy Ken shoulders who said we can make these balls plasma you've got

1:16:56

Eric Davis going in explaining how we can stabilize them use them for energy and then you've got Hal PUD who has a

1:17:01

communication patent that is like a gravity communication Pat device that can go through plasma it says right in

1:17:08

the abstract goes through plasma I go huh could we make a plasma drone that we could just float around out there what

1:17:16

are your thoughts on that and then the other question is great do you think plasma if it if it is like this thing

1:17:23

that can float freely and doesn't break apart do you think something like that could be conscious could it be a life form go

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ahead yes plasma is conscious um plasma the fourth state of matter is

1:17:37

the most um common state of matter in our universe um the results of many UAP

1:17:45

studies and I think aob and the condone report certainly will um the cond report

1:17:51

confirmed it and I think eventually ay will have observ that will observe plasma because that's what people see

1:17:59

but what is plasma and is plasma a um a conscious being well I heard that uh

1:18:07

plasma has will do a lot of people who who have come across ball lightning

1:18:13

which is a natural form of plasma that is formed by high energy um

1:18:18

electrostatic forces here on Earth I found that if you approach a natural

1:18:23

form a ball like it will take evasive action now the evasive action um protocol is a form of

1:18:33

higher Consciousness wow so um does

1:18:39

plasma have a way of tapping into the quantum world where everything

1:18:47

is connected it seems that it could be I I can't think that we as humans are the only conscious beings I I think plasma

1:18:55

itself seems to demonstrate in the way that we see it moving and taking you

1:19:01

know you go up Pilots have come to have approached plasma things and they seem

1:19:07

to move away and not through um gravity or or W or wind or anything but I mean

1:19:15

actually it seems to take aase of action um the interesting thing about plasma

1:19:20

which really fascinates me is what is plasma and how does plasma stay um in a

1:19:27

in an ionized state in our atmosphere and the the I think the most interesting

1:19:33

thing about plasma and here's my plasma demonstration is the center of a ball of plasma is

1:19:40

just deionized normal say atmosphere in our atmosphere and it's desperate to

1:19:47

rejoin and and not be ionized and get backed into its stable form but there's

1:19:53

so much energy in the ball of plasma that when it changes back near the edges

1:19:58

the periphery of the energy field it has to throw away the the energy in the

1:20:05

electrons to rejoin the the protons and that is light so plasma has this

1:20:11

Luminosity around its circumference of a sphere and that light of course can be

1:20:17

manipulated by the different types of plasma you can make so you can make different things to different color and

1:20:23

and I think plas is is very very studied and very interesting um I I think it the

1:20:32

other thing about plasma is that imagine a laser pointer you can direct a plasma

1:20:39

weapon um there and there and so some of the effects that we've seen from uaps

1:20:45

that seem to do fast or very fast maneuvering could be in fact a plasma

1:20:51

effect um absolutely the bubble explanation you just gave There is

1:20:56

almost exactly what Ken shoulders would describe as a permitivity transition

1:21:01

where you're making a bubble in SpaceTime and that's why they don't escape that's why it stays coherent

1:21:07

right and it actually you know it will give off light as well exactly but it may not look exactly like a light bulb

1:21:12

because of it may like I think that there was a yeah yeah there was the UFO hearing

1:21:19

where they mentioned too that um some people were noticing these balls of energy had had almost like a a dull

1:21:26

light to them like a roing of the sun I think was how it was described oh yeah yeah that's right it kind of made me

1:21:32

think about that where it's like maybe it's a luminous thing but not exactly luminous like we' see with like a light

1:21:38

bulb and it was uh Jack ma champkin 1992 paper force-free uh time harmonic

1:21:44

plasmoids as well that said that you can manipulate the pointing vector and what

1:21:50

this will do is basically keep it self-contained so that there is an energy radi

1:21:55

outward which I just thought was amazing because between Eric Davis and Jack NCH champin these papers are Air Force

1:22:01

research lab papers this isn't like you know random scientists that are out there so the government was taking it

1:22:08

seriously and the last thing I'll say on it before I get feedback is that I was reading this book by Lynn mctaggert and

1:22:15

she mentions Ken shoulders and how PUD off working on these balls of plasma and

1:22:20

she says that the government uh actually gave it one of the high priorities for research one year it was like the third

1:22:27

highest priority next to like D2 bombers and things like that and then the next year they upgraded it to the second

1:22:33

highest priority of all the research things which is essentially trying to figure out how these balls of plasma

1:22:38

worked and if we could extract energy from them pretty incredible and that's precisely what the physics community

1:22:45

Through the defense department in Europe have been doing um ever since the mod uh

1:22:50

content report actually um recognized that plasma ionized um effects could be

1:22:58

C could be the source of UAP the report goes on to say we need to open up vast

1:23:04

areas of research into utilizing plasma effects the other amazing thing about

1:23:10

plasma is because uh you've stripped apart normal atoms and you've now got a

1:23:15

negatively charged and a positively charged piece of the subatomic particle

1:23:20

which is stripped apart it's magnetic so you can then manipulate it with a with

1:23:26

magnetism so you can steer it like a cath like a beam in a cathro TV you can

1:23:32

do lots of things with plasma you can change its shape you can uh draw it you

1:23:38

can draw lines with it you can send it in volumetric space and you can also

1:23:43

change its color and and certainly we've seen applications of that for um counter

1:23:50

measures for aircraft the concept of the loyal wingman or the ghost plane so now

1:23:55

you can project a um a fleet of of of

1:24:01

aircraft only one is real and you've got these these appear totally solid um

1:24:08

other aircraft which could be very good they also have the heat signature and the radar signature of your real

1:24:15

aircraft so they can be a a counter measure to uh air to Air or Surface to a

1:24:22

missiles and um the technology to make that happen was all to do came very much

1:24:29

out of the Plasma Research and very very much you're going to like this Ashton it

1:24:36

there's no way you can do that unless you have an incredible power source yeah

1:24:42

um to actually produce and ionize um plasma effects because Plasma in our

1:24:47

atmosphere you know it loses its power very quickly so you need to have some

1:24:54

very strong condensed power power sources what the power you you discover

1:25:00

what the power source is for that and how they built it and you unlock a lot of Secrets yeah that's my favorite

1:25:06

question to ask is what is the power source for this UFO flying around in the

1:25:11

sky how is that thing floating free ask that question yeah that's the question everybody should be asking out there

1:25:17

that's the one that breaks through all of the misinformation and what have you because it's such an important question

1:25:23

for us understand how the physics of these things is working out there and to your point and it is physics that's the

1:25:30

other thing I'd like to say sorry I'm really shouting so so so many people say

1:25:35

you know it breaks the laws of [ __ ] physics no it doesn't it doesn't these are these are known physics that are

1:25:42

being exploited in interesting ways and it doesn't break any laws and as you say

1:25:47

we need a power source you know find the effing power source how do you condense

1:25:52

that much energy into something small enough to be Deployable on in a pod under an airplane or or or as a em

1:26:01

weapon on the in the field in a container U or on the back of a truck

1:26:06

yeah no look into power sources folks yeah and salvator P actually on

1:26:11

interview he did with uh Tim Ventura specifically said you should be thinking

1:26:16

in the terms of cold plasmas and how do we make cold plasma he goes uh ftoc ATC

1:26:23

lasers and you go and realize oh in 2023 the Nobel Prize winner in physics

1:26:29

was for addc lasers this is important because the faster your pulsive laser

1:26:35

the higher the energy so you could imagine that you could use something like that to strip the electrons off of

1:26:41

your molecules and then do what you were talking about is separate it out and plasma can achieve energy densities that

1:26:48

are far superior to any and retain them and keep them they can be aort you know

1:26:54

can be a battery as well I mean so yeah it's basically a floating battery that's going around there very highly charged

1:27:00

in and this is where you know we don't need to dig into this in this conversation but maybe we can do a followup sometime is that you start to

1:27:05

wonder when you think about these huge charge densities in these plasmas you go

1:27:10

well how close are we getting here to like unlimited energy access right like

1:27:15

this what is that power source if there is an external input like ether for

1:27:21

example then that would be far super ior to solar power or wind power because

1:27:27

it's always there yeah yeah no I completely agree and and and I think the other if you the biggest what's the yeah

1:27:35

good question what's the biggest department in the Pentagon I'll just tell you the biggest department in the

1:27:40

Pentagon is the people who organize the fuel to go and fight Wars you know they

1:27:46

have to plan five years ahead to put in super tankers and pipelines to to put um

1:27:53

um you know gasoline for Humvees but imagine if you

1:27:59

could have a power source um Deployable in a foreign country that

1:28:05

you're fighting a war that doesn't use fossil fuel and that's amazingly being

1:28:10

developed right now is is the wireless transmission of power and it's not what

1:28:16

you think it's much more exotic and um you know it needs to be secure it can't

1:28:22

be hacked it can't be switched off there's an awful lot of research into that wow yeah and I think people should

1:28:29

also wonder why is it that the department of energy in the United States is the top dog when it comes to

1:28:34

the UFO phenomenon number one that's pretty odd right because it all comes back to what you said the energy to me

1:28:41

that's the real Crown Jewel of the UFO phenomenon although aliens is of course

1:28:47

intriguing but the energy source exotic energy source would change everything on

1:28:52

this planet so uh Professor Simon this has been an awesome conversation go ahead and tell

1:28:59

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1:29:05

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1:29:25

a pleasure and I really enjoy talking to you Ashton anyway about things we're on

1:29:31

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1:29:36

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