welcome everybody to another exciting episodes of the hard truths podcast with Ashen Forbes today I have an amazingguest for you 25e retired FBI veteran John duza the real life Fox molder ofthe X Files can't wait to talk to him let's do it hey John welcome to the showbrother thank you very much for being here I appreciate you how are you doing oh I'm doing great Ashton thank you somuch for having me on hard truths podcast looking good it's looking greatand I'm really anxious to be here with you and your wonderful audience and uh I'm hoping uh this is gonna be as uhgreat as I built it up in my mind to be okay well let's do it then right off thebat like tell people who aren't familiar with you like what your background isyou know I had heard of you many years back that people were calling you the real life Fox molder of the X Files andI love that show and I remember looking and be like oh he does have this background in the FB so what kind ofstuff have you you looked into yeah um it was basically uh back inuh I was in the FBI and I ended up getting involved with uh what we calledthe entire xfiles Fiasco at the FBI because uh as soon as they uh in1993 U they started this new show called The xfiles and it was brand new and theyput up the first episode in uh I think I I don't remember the month but it was in93 and it was uh an amazing show howeveruh my bosses at the FBI uh immediately recognized some details from some of mycases uh in this uh in this show and uh we're talking about the seventh floorwe're talking about the big big weeks uh at the FBI and so they called in the uhmaker of the xfiles uh Chris Carter Chris Carter and they called me in toobecause they were going to accuse both of us of having some collusion there anduh putting some info together for this uh show and uh they did exactly that anduh Chris Carter was able to tell them that uh no he had he had no contact withme he had no uh nothing or or with any well not with any well he didn't uh getany classified information any secret information anything of that sort but hesaid to my bosses uh at the FBI that he would be able to further cooperate ifthey would give him more details of these cases that they say that um hepilfered that he got information from and uh they were unwilling to do thathowever they were very threatening they told him uh they told him and Fox FoxNews uh no not Fox News it was Fox the channel yeah that actually put on thexox and they told them oh we're gonna shut your show down we're under National Security I I don't think they even havethe power to do that but you know the FBI has a lot of coercive uh charactersin it I'll just put it that way and uh they're very good at making threats uh even whether the threats are true or notso you did you actually give him information if not do you know where he got them arelike so obvious getting information from the FBI right like uh yeah well I havemy ideas about it and uh what I what I suspect happened was uh a lot of us inthe FBI especially those of us who work extremely sensitive cases cases that endup getting um ndes passed out on them you know uh non-disclosure agreements uhuh those of us who work those types of cases what we do is we keep a book wekeep a book of notes on these cases because a lot of the stuff we can't put in FBI Files so we keep what we call umoff the books off the books Note book and we keep our files we keep our notesin it uh on these cases so that in case we need to get it back later in front of Congress or something like that and uhso what happened to me I believe is that a couple of agents that were workingwith me that were working with me they retired to um to Los Angeles to work asconsultants with Hollywood Productions and they took my they took my freakingbook Ashton you know you've probably had this uh sort of thing happen to you before where people uh try to steal someof your talent and they can't steal your talent literally so they try stealing some of your notes your blueprints yourthings that you yeah so anyway I believe that these uh these couple of Agents uh took my off the books uh notebook and uhactually shared it with Hollywood Productions and whether um whether ChrisCarter had any knowledge of that or not I don't know that part is not too clear but that's what I believe you're sayingit's real you're saying it is kind of based on your some of your research and also wait like there's cases where youhave to sign ndas afterwards like what Happ that yeah well there are cases where ifthings go really really wrong and FBI headquarters feels like uh you know orpeople who are above FBI headquarters feel like they need a another controlmechanism then they will come at you with these ndas and they will even FBIagents who are subject to um subject to secrecy requirements already so weshouldn't need to do any F any ndas but they still will uh come at you withthese uh uh once in a while and um I'm you know I'm not even allowed to saywhich ones I had to sign ndas for because that's part of the NDA you're not allowed to say uh but um it's notit's not a significant factor really because so you've had to do in terms of what you can say can you say how many ofthese generally you've had to sign like more than a handful uh no I've never had to signthem I've seen others SE others have to sign them but I personally have not I personally havenot okay so the stuff that you did was generally just spooky stuff but you didn't have to sign in the ndas for andI and and I'm an attorney I'm an attorney and I've worked in the legal World also so I already know I knowwhich things I can't talk about I know which things um I can't ever mentionagain I can and I can give you you know examples of there have been 's beencases with um UFOs um yeah and uh alientechnology as well that has been implicated in certain places in certain ways and I already know that I can't bespecific when I talk about those those cases I I can't um because you had casesrelated to UFO stuff generally before yes you can say yes is that how you gotinvolved with like Steph Greer and I saw Billy Carson like you were in one of their videos you've been in severaldifferent videos a couple on technology and UFOs like how did you connect to those guys well I I've always been umI've always been kind of connected with um Dr Greer's work uh but that goes thatgoes back to even the period when I was out of the FBI already for for instanceI was working I was working at Gaia TV uh doing some doing different things forthem and uh that was at the time um that was at the time when um uh Dr Greer forinstance uh I don't know how much you know about this but Dr Greer was the one who first came up with the atakama alienuh creature that he came up with which was that little you know 6inch creaturethat came out of a Tak per Peru I think it was I think it was aTak uh but um but people in your audience will uh text will text uh willchat what that what exactly where that was I thinka but um yeah aota skeleton yeahyeah a skeleton I remember that vaguely yeah so the small like little mummy thing that they it was yeah it was amummy it was not a skeleton it was it was an actual full mummy which is very significant uh and um so Dr Greer uh wasable to to come forward with that and show that it was not any sort of a anysort of a a fetus or an embryo that it was actually non-human life um andthat's what it was and uh then uh so that went on and then he took it to anInfamous an Infamous fake scientist uh who was the uh guy at um StanfordStanford uh science uh Department uh whose Name Escapes me right now and uhhe actually uh said to uh Dr Greer and everybody else that I'm gonna get I'mgonna do the DNA I'm gonna get the DNA results on this thing and I'm gonna tell everybody you know if this thing turnsout to be non-human life because that's all that we were that's all Gary Nolan it wasn't Gary Nolan on Stanford was itit was him yes wow that was him there's more drama in this community than I thought oh this W this was a really badone because know about this because this is like right before I got involved in all this okay keep going because DrGreer uh he came up with the first example of non-human life with actualphysical evidence and DNA evidence everything and he came up with that andhe presented that to the world and that was going to be a huge breakthrough inin on our planet and Dr Greer had it he had it at all uh and uh andunfortunately he trusted Gary Nolan he trusted Gary Nolanwho said in the preliminary findings he said this is absolutely not a fetus thisis nonhuman life apparently from the preliminary DNA tests and I'm notcompletely sure how that works but they explained it I mean they uh Dr Greerexplained it and Gary Nolan explained it and all the preliminary tests showedthat this was non-human life of course Dr Greer or anyone else never claimedthat it was an alien or anything like that that was the function of mainstreammedia because what they do in these cases is they immediately say oh everyone's claiming it's an it's analien the alien fossil or the alien Mumynobody ever said was an alien because we're pretty sure this thing was um whatdo you call native to the planet Earth because that's what that's the indications that we all had so anyway soanyway uh Gary Nolan uh went ahead and said yes this is the preliminary test all show this is non-human life nowwe're going to do the deep deep DNA testing which can take like I heard it takes like it can take years it can takeover a year to do that sort of thing and sure enough when he was completedthe long range what they call the long strand DNA analysis uh he um he actuallygot a visit uh from it looks like he got a visit from the military uh from the USMilitary and uh shortly after that he uh he called Dr Greer and he said hey badnews it turns out this thing actually is a uh just a fetus it's a human fetus uhthat was somehow human yeah yeah that somehow is mutated and it's actually it's even a female human uh fetus andthat's all it was uh that's all it was so forget about all that non-human uh DNA stuff that I said before this is thereal conclusion and then Gary Nolan went out on all the uh International wires and all the everywhere with the newsmainstream news he put that out everywhere in other words he absolutelybetrayed Dr Greer after he had promised that he would follow the conclusion toits scientific reality it scientific truth no matter where it LED and that hedidn't care about being ostracized by the scientific Community or anything like that well you know about that uhbut he said oh yeah I'm willing I'm willing I'm right there with you Dr Greer don't worry we're gonna put outthe truth on this thing and then after he did the long range analysis of theDNA he went ahead and he did a complete 180 he betrayed Dr Greer and he betrayedeveryone who's interested in real true science yeah I don't really trust himhonestly I had an interaction with him and I randomly got blocked by him and it turns out it seems like I want this isanother thing I want to he your opinion on it seems like there's this weird Schism or a little Clicks in the UFO meit's not even really clicks because there's not that many it's really just like two sides there's one side that islike the Steven Greer side that I guess you could say Billy Carson's on that side presumably you're aligned with themuh Michael shrat and a few other people that you see commonly on his stuff and then the other s side's like the Loualzando Gary Nolan Ross Kart Jeremy Corbell uh like um George knapwhoever don't get me started don't get me started because let's get startedbecause like I look at this and I did not expect this coming into the UFO commun realize that I'm relatively newlike a year and a half into this thing and realize that there's all this it's political like political turmoil aboutyou know people's political opinions for some reason there's also this like pretty solid alignment on where people stand politically in terms of wherethey're on this dividing line and it's not really like the way I divide it it'snot really accurate but the way I divide it is like the people that think like the aliens are going to come save us orwhatever and that like you know just wait for the aliens to come save us and fix everything and then the other sideof it I imagine is like no these are the people saying like we've been work we've been building this technology we've been working on it maybe it came from Aliensor whatever but like this technology is like we have to look at like how gamebreaking that would be like what'syour perspective on this do you agree that there's this Schism that's out there and what's your opinion of theguys that are my opinion and my opinion Ashton is first of all I would ask youplease please when you have a chance just read my book the extra dimensionaluh because in this book I actually reveal FBI documents FBI documents thatare out there and that actually uh started me on this road of the truthdown to the truth that alien visitors are not physical they areinterdimensional they are extradimensional uh they are not uh physical in the sense that we are uhthey can temporarily assume that physicality uh that physicality they canuh and but it doesn't last very long and also there are UFOs and so this thisdocument by the by the FBI was released at the same time as what I call theRoswell disinfo operation where in Roswell you had a bunch of people cometogether and try to put forward the the LIE really that aliens are physical thatthey're just physical just like us and that alien imminency is real becausethey just get into their tin cans and they can just crash and be dead by theside of the road just like any of us could be just like us because they're just like us and that's what the wholeGospel of Roswell was of the Roswell crash which I believe was in 1947 I believe that was it in 1947 wellat the same time in 194 47 this document came out from the FBI which showed uminformation from an FBI agent who had an who said he had an informant who washimself an alien visitor of some kind and that this alien visitor told himthat aliens are not physical that uh UFOs also are made of plasma they'remade of plasma radiant energy in addition that document says that goingback that far says something about Plasma in 1947 that's what this document says hereit also says that uh we should never attack uh their UFOs uh UFOs uh and thatthe UFOs are somehow they don't have anyone in them they are UFOs are the uhare their vessels that accompany alien visitors come with them and Carry Outsmall tasks for them kind of like familiars for a u a sorcerer Witch ofthat sort of thing that's the kind of reality that we're looking at here so anyway my uh my book The extrenal makesit very clear it also gives my personal uh experiences with uh with alienvisitors and it shows that I do believe they are absolutely real I do howeverthe problem is that now you have this group of people uh along with the alongwith the unfortunately the New York Times the greatest uh Bastion of globaldeception that has ever existed on this Earth uh and that they they basicallygot together and they got together with all these former CIA contractors andformer CIA officers things of that sort and they decided number one okay we'regoing to grab the entire world of hology and we're going to bring it under our control and now I believe in the exist Ibelieve in the the cabal is at the top of this freaking pyramid uh controllingall the strings and they are the ones who are basically are above all of thisand they are using their their whole system of fake whistleblowers uh and U and guys likeelisondo and uh grush and God knows how many others uh they are using because inin 20 in7 2012 to 2017 they decided that uhthey were going to grab control of ufology as a mental construct and theywere going to grab it so they said well what's the what's the first thing we need to do well the first thing we need to do is we need to grab control of theapology of the UFO subject away from the United States Air Force where it wasthis was basically under the control of the United States Air Force why because these are unidentified flying objects sothey was put under the purview ultimately of the Air Force and the way I know that is because the FBI had manybattles with the president and with the uh and with the Air Force itself to tryto get that jurisdiction away from the Air Force but no because it makes more sense to have the Air Force in charge ofit because these are aerial things that we're talking about well they decided Well you know what we have severalreasons why we're going to bring ethology away from the United States Air Force and bring it under the UnitedStates Navy United States Navy why because the United States Navy is whatcontrols uh first of all they control all legal issues but that's but that's another thing but they also control allthe confidentiality and all the secrecy surrounding the development of topsecret weapons okay weapons yes and theycontrol all of so they said and there also were um were also given the uhtechnology that I believe was reverse engineered from 1947 probably when theydid this operation at Roswell and so they were given total control of thisand then we also see at the same time that my goodness the United States Navyis having these uh exercises over off the coast of California the biggest mostthe biggest uh uh carrier group that exists in the United States the Nimitzcarrier group was out there doing exercises and they were and they were uhproviding a secure atmosphere for the ultimate testing of thesethese um these uh creature these things that were the uh those capsules thatwere flying around and trying all over the place that we call that we now and then they said okay we need to changethe name of these things from UFOs to uaps so that's what they did and thenthe nimit carrier group was told was well actually they uh were part of thisplan and they created a secure atmosphere for these things to be experiment exped with in the FinalChapter and then the New York Times went in there and did a whole workup aboutthis and showing how the Nimitz uh carrier group was a poor helpless victimof these of all of these uaps that were flitting around all over the place and they didn't do anything against themthey just sent out Pilots to observe them I mean it was a giant theater playis what it was yeah so you're saying that it's a big disinformation effort tocontain what's really going on and to control the narrative that's out there and that you know there's other reportsout there that you know I want to dig into the interdimensional plasma stuff but basically that there's a group ofpeople that are presenting a certain narrative out there that's protecting national interests and I I don't even disagreewith the narrative that you just presented that like the nits incident the Tic Tac was like you know H humantechnology they were testing it that's a narrative that's out there that UFO Community doesn't really want to pick upon but it's a powerful one because Jeremy Corbell even admitted that Commander fraver was told by the CIAthat the Tic Tac was locked Martin technology which there you go that's your answer this is all copied this isall copied technology and that's why that's why we're dealing with thesedrones these uh super weapon what I call the LSD what I want to talk about here next so I want to play this clip whichis how we connected uh you know and it's actually just you praising me so for the people who are listening you know yeahis Ashton being a little egotistical maybe but you know what when someone who's a former FBI agent who's calledthe fox molder Praises you like this then you can play a clip too so I want to play this and then I want to ask yousome questions about it scientists just will say whatever their sponsors tell them to say uh but saw this I saw thisone great scientist yesterday named Ashton Forbes he's a plasma technologyexpert have you spoken to him before have you had him on the show but yeah we've done a deep dive with Ashton hereon the show uh on MH370 and actually uh we have a big interview with him coming up u in just about a week or so on a lotof these plasma Technologies and zeroo energy technology he he's a good friend of the show yeah excellent because theShocker that he said yesterday he was on uh Next News Network yesterday and theShocker that he gave us was he said oh yeah our intelligence uh Tech Communityhas been able to create plasmas and orbs for years now for years now those uhplasmas and orbs are definitely created by our military-industrial complex TechDivision and he says that's absolutely true and it was that's a shocker to heara scientist that you can trust and that was instead of while all the other scientists are trying to get us to saythis ridiculous word plasmoid plasmoid which is absolutely ridiculous plasmoiddoesn't mean any it only it means natural phenomena like ball lightningit's that's not what these things are that's it's a complete distraction and it's a confusion of the language they'reusing MSM to also amplify that and they're trying to get people to say plasmoid well I want people to say lsdslarge super weapon drones that's what they should be saying and plasmas and plasmas and orbs because that's whatwe're facing so that's Ashton Forbes had a great little sir thank you very muchfor that right off the bat I want to respond to say awesome I don't know your video was much better then so hopepeople don't hate on it now hopefully it'll it'll show a better in post but umyeah first the the fact like I know exactly how you felt when you saw somebody explaining something that likeyou've worked on and you've investigated because it's happened to me number oftimes over the last year where I'm investigating this missing plane investigating this science and then youfind like an old engineer from 30 years ago explaining it all plainly and simplyexactly and ex the pl the plasma orbs part too which was like I've learned nowhow they can make the plasma orbs just intersecting scal beams at a distance oreven just laser beams at a distance very precisely and they can make plasma orbs and they can make them large I justspoke to this guy John Brandenburg he's a PhD as well he said that back in likethe probably the 90s maybe even 80s they were making plasma balls as big as the size of a soccer ball just randomlymessing around so of course they can make them potentially even bigger now and so I wanted to get what I wanted toask you was not just to thank you for that and I appreciate that shout out wasyou know what led you down this you know interdimensional plasma route because Iwant to understand your thought process and just kind of compare my own so thatpeople who are viewers or what have you can understand how we got to this you know kind of convergent point and understanding the phenomenon so go aheadyou know and in that in that mon if I had had a little more time I was also trying to say you know this was this wasa phenomenal thing because Ashton Forbes actually explained to people the firstfew steps in how to create these plasma orbs and how it is that we now know wellat least I now know that the uh cabal has basically copied this alientechnology and they have done it uh but what I was going to say is that thatAshton Forbes basically um he he can explain all these steps but he probablycan't go too far down that road because it's going to implicate top secret information like high level top secretinformation and you can't you can't put that out you can't put that out because it'll create allkinds of problems it's the same reason that uh president Trump just said thatuh that uh he he knows what the plasma orbs are he knows uh what these uh whatthese super weapon drones are these uh these lsds he knows but he's not going to say it he's not going to say it whyis that because he's still a private citizen technically and he could hecould face consequences for revealing top secret information because whoever'sdealing with this stuff they're all using the highest levels ofcompartmentalized secret information so you for that reason we just we just have to be careful even if let address thatbecause that's such a great Point honestly like a there's a lot of people that think that the MH370 videos are fake or whatever I'm just telling youguys like I think you have a roote Awakening like we have crazy technology it's super Advanced and then figuringout how to make a ball of plasma is actually not that complicated it really just has to do with like understanding that space isn't empty and even we don'teven need space to produce it like they're literally able to produce this plasma just from air they can just take like the tiny amounts of hydrogen in theair they can just strip those and make their plasmas which is absolutely incredible and this is why I love thatwhat you said also which is important is that we probably shouldn't be using theterm plasmoids or uh ball lightning that these These are natural phenomenon thisis what they use to hide what it is so you read Eric W Davis's uh balllightning study from 2002 Air Force research labs and you're like what is this this is such a weird ball lightningbut when you actually understand it you realize they were trying to figure out how to stabilize plasma so that it wouldbe stuck like a bubble that you could just move around like figure out how to take lightning and actually turn it intoa ball what is lightning lightning is a huge amount of energy a huge amount sothen what are these drones if you can turn a ball of lightning into a drone like you said it's a large super weapondrone or at minimum a super weapon drone maybe a plasma super weapon drone andthis is the part where I wanted to ask ask you about the Cyber truck guy I don't know if you've been read in orread about the Matt lurger stuff but because this is potentially what we'retalking about is potentially like higher than nuclear weapon secret stuff yeahyou could see why there would be whistleblowers like people if Matt liberg was a real whistleblower and he's coming out and saying we're in this warwith China over this drone technology and it's got unlimited payloadcapability yeah that could be a real whistleblower what are your thoughts on any of that and and on the Cyber truckguy you know the Cyber truck guy it's when you have uh the FBI in its currentstate uh basically going in there and covering up everything I mean coveringup everything then it's it's difficult to it's difficult to um really uh formopinions about these cases um when we don't have any real information I meanwe have the guy's name uh we have some other things uh but we don't havethere's no investigation there uh because obviously the FBI and others who are working these cases uh they're justin they see themselves as being in charge of the cover up that's it so that's all they're doing so it it justmakes it it makes it very difficult to uh deal with that um you know except maybe on the most speculative level thatyou can but on the speculative level I mean we can see that it looks like thisis not the same guy it's not the same guy uh it's it looks like his his wifehas been saying you know that's not him that's not him and uh it looks like heactually was was a basically a an American Hero trying to uh trying toprevent a c a terrible catastrophe here in America that's what it looks like andit looks like some operators some Black Ops operators probably uh or uh tried toimplicate him in this in this case as far as we can tell which basically wasjust it it just seems to be the whole thing with the cybertruck appears to beuh basically just a symbolic uh operation being run against Trump andElon Trump and Elon because they because it was purely symbolic they went inthere they put a giant bomb that wasn't big enough to kill anyone so yeah theyweren't so that wasn't the aim uh well that's the part is that he could have taken out way more people this is animportant note is that like he's in the middle of Vegas if if this guy wanted to he could have just ran people over letalone the yes yes they could have destroyed the entire front of that building ifthey had wanted to but obviously they didn't want to so that's why I'm saying it looks to me like it was just amessage from the cabal to uh to Trump and and Elon in the same momentwhere you have those two symbols Side by Side and being blown up somewhat ingeneral and that's all it appears to be to me that's all it was it seems like so if if that's you know what like I'm noteven discounting that theory if the email is real and he really is blowing the whistle on anti-gravity drones thento me that's what the message is the message is a warning to Elon and to Trump saying like hey you better nottalk about this these large super weapon drones or plasma super weapon dronesthat we have because this technology is next level and it's multifaceted like yes there's the destructive capabilitybut this is also just a ball of unlimited energy practically which could you know change our entire look at allthe lights all around us it could change everything about our civilization all at once and that's the other area that youwork too Z Point Energy and that's why I think this stuff's like a I think thesethings are tapping into the Zero Point Energy field in a way that like would change physics and our understanding ofphysics and and then I think that's part of the cover up too is that they have to cover up all this stuff because if anyone thread becomes unraveled and that's the part I want to ask you about the coverup side I mean you're a former FBIagent and you just said like you think that the feds in the FBI are like presenting a false narrative is thatsomething you've seen firsthand where there's been like the call from up top or just somebody wanted to play you knowtheir politically inclined to present a certain narrative is that have you seen that absolutely I've seen that uh verymuch so uh during my career I can tell you I can tell you one specific instance uh when um and I don't know if you wouldremember this but it was the uh flight tww 800 oh I remember yes off the shoresof Long Island I believe um and it was it was crazy uh what happened therethat's one of the cases that I I can I I will never get into specifics of it butI can tell you that it it fit into that category that you just mentioned whereit was all the investigators were investigating in One Direction being ledin One Direction being showing and the Witnesses were all telling the tellingwhat we what looked to us like the absolute truth of what happened and thenthere was a call from the president's office and it went directly to our tothe FBI director and um basically he said you're notgoing to investigate this any further in this direction uh you're gonna find whatI want you to find and that's it and that was the first time I saw up closean entire organ intelligence organization just be shut down basicallyin their search for truth completely shut down and basically we all had tosalute and do exactly what what the president's office said to do and againand that's one that I can't ever get into specifics on because there were somany families that lost their loved ones in that and who have have never beengiven satisfactory answers on that and um that's crazy man that's 230 people onthat plane too that's so bizarrely similar to the MH370 incident like it'sso weird weirdly similar because God I didn't know think you were going to bring up a story like that because theMH370 inant when I first started investigating it the first thing I realized there's clearly a cover up atplay like the way people are acting the way they're OB fiscated information the way they would do press conferences andthe families are freaking out and crying and the officials are like just sayinglike they're getting asked like basic questions like can a plane just disappear and they're like well that'llcome out in the course of the investigation you're like what do you mean like none of this makes sense iflike you're running an open transparent investigation where you're trying to get to the truth so that scares me becausethe reason why that statement's so important uh John in my opinion is thatthere's a lot of people and going back to that UFO question I asked you about the various factions I think there's alot of people out there that don't think the government's capable of doing something like that and that the government is good and wouldn't lie toyou wouldn't present a fake narrative to you wouldn't have the media control it but it's more invasive isn't it wherethey are like specifically guiding you down a path to come to a conclusion that they want you to come to right like isthat how you would how do you think they do it they do it with pressure they do it with a culture an entire cultureecosystem that lets you know like for instance and I I'll just tell you this way in the uhin the um uh the case of the tww flight 800 uh they didn't they didn't need topass out a lot of uh ndas NDA non-disclosure agreements uh because asan FBI agent you were you were basically told by the chain of command uh youbetter not pursue this uh you better not pursue this and you better not make any noise because if youdo that's that's all they need to do that's all they needed to the chain of command just let you know that in nouncertain terms no need for ndas no ndas here uh and you can and you can bet uhwe will never find out the the truth of that case until that particular UnitedStates President is on his deathbed maybe then maybe at that moment will bethe only time that we will possibly uh get the truth of what happened there andyeah that's a pretty regular thing and I want people to know the reason why Ashton Forbes is a National Treasure isbecause he is the rarest kind of animal there is out there an independentscientist who will find the truth and hold on to it no matter what against allkinds of resistance even from the scientific Community themselves and ifall you need to do is look at this case the MH 97 the plane thatdisappear say 370 MH 370 you're close 370 yeah I want get that right um theMH370 plane and the video of the orbs the orb plasmas that were circling itand all that and to have the strength of character to look at that and say that was real that was real and no matterwhat no matter how many people come after you no matter I mean that the the character that that shows um is it justshows that uh Ashton you will be a legendary figure uh in The CounterCulture which is what we need which is what we need absolutely and I truly believe that to the point too that youbring up is this that like you're the incentive structures are part of the problem I think that when you really digdown to it all these people have incentive structures like if you're in the government you you listen to yourboss if you don't then you're not going to get a promotion you're not going to get a career bump if you're in Academiaif you go against mainstream Academia then you get blackballed I I spoke to Navy engineer Salvatore pis about thisas well and he says like you have to realize I come from the academic world where like I'm judged based on peerreviewed papers and all this other Stu I don't have those restrictions on me because I'm just a social media guy Ican research the stuff I can present my opinions and it doesn't matter what people think and if people don't want tobelieve it's real whatever I don't have to worry about that which I love and that's why I like doing this podcast too because I can talk to other people andwho cares if you don't like it too bad you know I think that stuff's going to be real and I want to talk to otherpeople who have also had similar experiences like you you've either you know been exposed to stuff where likeit's opened your mind you know in the same way and that we can like figure this out and try to figure out what'sthe nature of this because let this leads my next question then is like I'm convinced we've figured out how to makethese balls of play I've spoken to enough Engineers watched enough clips of other black project Engineers on thevideos and I'm convinced they figured out a way to turn them into some kind of super weapon where you jam them togetherand it you know like that happened on that video vaporizes a plane vaporizes a building a ship something like that andthat scares the heck out of me because I go damn I could just imagine scaling that up and now you can have likethere's no there's no limit how powerful something like that could be and I look at that compared to where we're at rightnow and I'm like damn that's really really Beyond where the public really thinks we're at right now like how doyou cross that bridge and how do you try to interact with people when you're like no we got stuff that's like way moreadvanced and do you agree that we figured it out oh absolutely we did uh I can tell you way back in uh in 2011 Ihad a similar experience to the one that you've had with the MH370 plane uhflight uh and it was in 2011 January28th we had an incident called the uh and it's called The Dome of the Rock UFOin Israel in think it's Jerusalem actually in Jerusalem uh Israel and uhit was the Dome of the Rock UFO and it happened to us while we were doing an operation trans transnational operationand on the ground our operators on the ground uh they told us from Israel theysaid to us uh basically uh whatever operation we were working on they saidokay this is cancelled we just had alien visitors just arrived in Jerusalem attwo in the morning at two in the morning on a Saturday and this was uh and if youyou go to my YouTube page U my YouTube page uh which is John XD soua on YouTubeand I actually have the best video of it it's a collection it's multi viewcameras uh several different uh sources of the same incident and that's why theycall it Dome of the Rock UFO because in the middle of the night in Jerusalem you had this plasma orb that came out of thesky and uh just came down and settled right over the Dome of the Rock which isa very famous religious um religious site and they just just settled rightthere uh and it just held there and everyone in Jerusalem it was a Saturday night and there were a lot of people outtoo everyone was tourists locals everybody was out apparently and theyall saw it and they all filmed it too A lot of them did and that's what I put onmy on my YouTube as well uh I filmed I showed the film from six differentangles six different angles including a weather camera that was up that nightthat recorded the exact same same thing uh the the Dome the uh plasma orbsettled over the Dome of the Rock it stood there for uh maybe just like 10seconds 10 seconds 20 seconds and then it gave off a flash of energy thatcovered it went through all of Jerusalem it gave off this flash of energy andthen it just went straight up into the into the air and it just disappeared ata speed that was difficult to gain you know the flash of energy thing is really interestingbecause one of the things I found is that that MH370 video has a flash of energy a flash of light that gets givenoff in it now I was wondering like is that a science thing like I didn't know anything about any this turns out we'vegot these virtual photons all around us all the time and if you pack too much electromagnetic energy or if you pushthe electromagne energy out it releases real photons from nothing from the backso basically you can pull real photons out with a huge amount of electromagnetic energy and so thatexplains what we might be seeing when these orbs or craft are able to uh youknow break through the light limit or whatever you want to call it I don't think we have a term for it just yet butthe swinger limit I guess maybe so that might be a reason for why you were seeing some of that so it sounds likethis was your experience where you kind of woke up and realized oh boy there's like something major going on in thisworld that you haven't been privy to is that true absolutely and when I saw thatand then when I saw all the different camera angles of different peoplevideotaping the same thing you know you're always supposed to check different various independent sourcesthat are not colluding they're not working with each other but they all duplicate the exact same thing uh that'swhen you know you're looking at something true here but then uh what we were told back in the States uh whenthis happened uh I had a I had an indiv an individual uh I we always called himthe smoking man and he was a person who was from the global structure and healways showed up with either he was a state department employees he was CIA employee different things but he wouldalways show up and tell us what was really going on and this guy he showedup his name was well the name he used at that moment was milit and he came in andhe would just smoke in public air areas where you were not allowed to smoke and then he would tell us he would say umyeah I heard about that operation you guys were working and that the aliens have arrived in uh in um in Jerusalem asof today and he said don't and we because we were all excited we were like okay the next morning this is going tobe everywhere it's going to be millions of hits it's going to be insane and everyone's going to know and he told usbasically no they won and we said what and he said uh by the morning we havedifferent shops that are out there always monitoring everything uh and their whole purpose is to make sure thatthe public doesn't find out about anything that is genuinely paranormal or alien in nature so what they do is theydo duplicates of whatever happened let's say this Dome of the Rock thing andthey'll do their own duplicates so that the algorithm will catch on to theirversion of what was not the real thing not the real thing like for instance if someonegets the uh like when the uh Patterson uh a video of Bigfoot you know came outwell at the same time and he told us these are CIA shops these are shops thatbecause the because the Illuminati the cabal are terrified that we will getreal information about real Supernatural topics so they have these shop that actually wait for something to comeout and when they see it their analysts create duplicates and they'll so thatthey grab control of the algorithm and they'll show a guy in a in a Bigfootoutfit you know that looks really crappy and really garbagey and they'll justhave him fooling around and then you'll say and then that will take over thealgorithm from the Patterson gimly or Patterson gimle video so that whenmillions of people the next day rush to go see the Dome of the Rock UFO Dome ofthe Rock UFO they'll actually encounter the uh CIA shop made video that showssome bright red uh uh thing moving through Jerusalem and they say thatlooks very very fake very CGI very yeah nonsensical and so that all thosemillions of people the next day that are trying to see this video they won't see the actual video the videos that I haveuploaded you want to know a good story related to that and before I do I want to say something that was aboutum the Smoky man comment like isn't that just the best like f you to be like asmoky Man shows up that doesn't care about smoking laws smoking cigarettes in a public building where he's not allowedto smoke and he's just telling you about yep the aliens came and you're like crapis this gonna make the front page news nope it's not going to make the news at all not even going to make page sixexactly like sorry we control everything and everything's a lie we manage your entire perception yeah and just the factthat he's smoking in a non-smoking area shows he's just like above the law youknow like the rules are for the little people they're not for the people like me right he was and he would explainthat to us all the time he would say you guys are idiots you think that we canlet this information out to the little people he like what do you want to you want to destroy Society is that what youguys want and we'd be like no we're investigators we want the truth to be found and then we want to give the truthto other people he said that's exactly why you're idiots that's what he told us and then the next day we found out thateverything he said happened exactly as he said and I've ever since then I havehad a very you been a Believer I've been had a horrible terrible time trying toshow people that this 2011 Dome of the Rock UFO was real it was absolutely realand it looks just like the the Dome the plasma orbs it's exactly a precursor ofthose the plasma orbs this is what I want to talk to you because a lot of videos are just too they're notcompelling enough to no matter what even with six angles I mean I've got two videos of a plane that's a real planethat's still missing today that are military videos and infrared and thermal from two different angles and people arestill going well it's CGI it's like people will make up any excuse to not believe something but this is why likefor me I took it to the next level like okay well if that's real then I need to understand does the science real whereis that come from it must be out there somewhere I found out it was all just hidden in plain sight and that's what really started to Spook me when Istarted finding the science and I'm like oh here it is you just intersect these laser beams outc lasers and you canproduce plasma it's like oh it's just out there because then I'm like how have they been hiding all this how how areother people not figuring out and then you find people like and other people I found that are like oh they have beenbut only a small number of people most people are just kind of asleep exactlyand you're right about the disinformation I think it's even more nefarious than what you said about it Istrongly suspect that there is a video of the US uh USS Colombia this theshuttle that dis uh like burnt up on re-entry in2003 there's a very weird old looking video on the internetthat looks like what NASA would be looking through a camera at their destroyed shuttle in outer space itlooks just like it the gravity looks exactly correct and then at the end it just has it like somebody come on justsays the faking hoaxer and then it says this was CGI and it almost looks likethe government just took the real video and they just added this imaginary person to it pretending to make thevideo that's exactly what they did they do it all the time right all the timethat covers up the real video and now anybody that looks at it just goes oh no that person claimed to have faked it andyou're like well like that would be a lot of work like that's like better than Ang Le's gravity or was it Ang Lee thatmade gravity whatever made that movie Gravity with s bulock in it like this whoever made this has that kind ofeffects can I watch them is there a video of them making that this video because it's pretty damn impressive andthat's what I asked about the MH370 videos too where I'm going like if this is fake who made it show me the I wantsee a video of somebody making this because it looks impossible when you look at the details yeah don't ask thatAshton because then they'll go and they'll reverse engineer it and they'll do exactlythat they I thought you know what let me just jump in there because I thought that would happen like a over a year agoI thought that the play that would happen after I realized the stuff's real and I have this shock like you've had aswell where I'm like oh crap they like really trying to cover this stuff up and they've been covering it up I was likethe next thing they're going to do is they're going to have somebody come out and like claim to have made the videoand make like some Recreation based on it you know and then it'll be so goodthat people will be like oh obviously they did it but you know what it never happened nobody was ever able torecreate the videos I thought for sure that was their next play right but they the only reason that they didn't do thatis because they're trying to show how not worried they are about you breakingthrough with this thing that's what it is that's what I think the answer is that's so crazy I think they like they're just not afraid like I haveGeneral somebody told me literally General Joseph Dunford you guys can look him up loed Martin board of directorsnow he is the guy that started space force under Trump he's like one of hewas the top ranked military person for person for like four years until 2019I got a source that told me like he saw the videos and like didn't didn't laugh at them you know like people just ignorethat these people aren't afraid they're not afraid at all like they know that nobody's gonna believe this no matterwhat doesn't matter what you got right yeah so that's that's what it is gohelike um like the turkey have you ever seen the turkey UFOs uh the on that's myfavorite one one where they zoom in on it guys got the super nice camera you're like that's the kind of stuff we needbut that's another one they never really tried to fake and it's for the same reason it's because they just are soconfident and they just believe that you'll never break through to millions and millions and millions with thisthing that's that's what it is because I've I've I've shown that turkey UFO uhuh videos and again that's also on my YouTube uh people can go see it uh andit's it's you various the best versions of it because there are numerous versions of the turkey UF the problemthough is like even with those videos and that's a great one where guys using a really high really high quality camerawith super powerful digital or super powerful Zoom so we can get this really high quality video but even in thosevideos especially because now we're realizing it's plasma and like plasma orbs or this thing you're just seeing aball of light so a lot of the debunker skeptic people are just going oh well you're looking at a star or somethingbecause it looks identical to what a star would look like but that's just because it's a plasma ball so now you'relike oh this is why theill Aries filming in infrared and thermal because this ishow you see more information as opposed to the optical Spectrum you're just looking at a pinpoint of light and whenI started to realize that I'm like oh now the puzzle pieces are really coming together because I wondered when thoseTic Tac videos the nimit all those videos came out like why is this all like forward looking infrared I didn'teven know what that meant Back Then and Now compared to what I know now I'm like oh that's nothing compared to what wegot now I'm like we got video coverage of everything so do you think we're likefilming and seeing a bunch of UFOs in the sky and just not telling the world and we've got like a repository ofvideos out there the genuine UFOs yeah sometimes uh they we are seeing them uhbut right now I'd say about 99% of what we are seeing observingrecording are all these uh fake uapsthat are man-made uh they are are these uh super weapon drones that are againman-made uh and uh even the plasma orbs uh that we are seeing 99% of them Iwould say are basically just man-made uh and there's a chance that even the theplasma orbs are somehow created even by the drones themselves somehow becausethese drones appear to have zero point energy they appear to have uh because IfYou observe them there's there's no propulsion there's no uh there's no visible means there's no infrared signalthere's no heat signature there's nothing that is conventionally human inthat but at the same at the same time we've had a couple of congressmen uhwhose whose names I try not to say uh who have been in on all the briefingsthey've been read into everything and they have and they have said uh these uhdrones have compon a couple of these drones were shot down amazingly by by plasma orbs supposedly and they havebeen shot down they have been grabbed by the US Military and uh there has been a lot of examination and both of thesecongressmen separately uh on different occasions both have said yeah thesedrones have components from China they have components I was gonna ask you about that next so you think China hasthis technology figured out now I hope not I hope not uh that would be the worst case scenario uh but but what theyalso said was uh and you had people like Gordon changen watches China and the CCPvery carefully and one of the things that he said is that if if China isinvolved in this uh there's there's probably many other enemies of Americaalso involved in this in these uh these super weapon drones as well so that it'snot any one country that's in involved with this but you know we're going tofind out more about this uh the day after inauguration because Trump has promised that he is gonna let the catout of the bag which also gets kind of more bizarre because because it's likeit's almost like Trump is goding them into using these drones against him atthe inauguration because he's saying if I get inaugurated I'm gonna let thewhole cat out of the bag uh the day after so you guys have just one shot oneshot like uh like Eminem says you got one shot just one shot to grabeverything you ever wanted will you let it will you let it slip mom spet uh noyeah that's a good point because it does seem like I I'm actually on board with this narrative that like the cabal isthe Deep state is afraid that Trump is going to clean house on them yeah andthis is what I think a lot of people realized to is like yes you only appoint certain positions but those people are basically your boss of the entire youknow three-letter agency and like you just pointed out there's a lot of control and power that comes over thatin terms of top down decision making that occurs in terms of what you can investigate and what you can't so andyou probably go ahead you probably know this too uh we had uh anotherCongressman uh uh burett from Tennessee who said um who said that uh these uhthese things that are being uh created uh he said there is absolutelyinvolvement in creating these lsds these large super weapon drones he said there is involvement from McDonald Douglas Ronuh skunkworks and all of these companies which and I've got news for you guysthey're not American you may think that they're American I'm talking your audience and people norming they thinkthat these things are uh these things are American they're not they serve the global super structure and they servethe the global uh industrial weapons complex military-industrial complexthat's what they serve they have no care for what happens to America whatsoeverand that's why we had uh congressman burett who said the other day he said those companies are completely involvedin building these things you know in addition to China and whoever else is also it's scary because who are theinvestors in those companies then those are the people people who are really the so the company could be American but the investors can be from anywhere you wantpotentially so it makes a big difference and then what two more companies thatare now being exposed just in their last few days Batel Institute they get1billion doll per year all from the federal government they're a nonprofitand they run all the department of energy Labs across the entire country all our super secret Labs battelInstitute all federal money non for profit also Aerospace Corporation also anon-for-profit all federal money $1.2 billion last year all they do isbasically hire scientists and then they contract them out to like lockie Martin or whatever to do Secret projects so allof these things are buried with what uh Greer would call usaps unacknowledgedspecial access programs right that basically there's no oversight to and this is how they hide it all where youknow it's under these it's Federal money going to private corporations are then immune from Foya and so it's like thisvery nefarious configuration of how it's all set up but I'm also skeptical that Trump will deliver all the goods like Ithink he'll come out and say like either yes it was our drones or he'll say like it was China's drones whatever we knowbecause we know we've got we've got surveillance capabilities we know right but I don't think he's going to come out and say yes we'vegot free energy or plasma orb that can annihilate the planet like I don't thinkhe's going to say go that far which is how if it was you or me we would probably you know large super weapondrones but for him I think that's where he's going to draw it short because it is National Security like it literallyis you know and that's where it's like when you said I don't want China to have this this is why everybody was on mewhen it came to the Drone stuff and the cybertruck guy because the whole narrative I've been presenting of MH370is that we're preventing China from getting this technology and I think that we could justify some pretty evil actsin order to prevent China from getting large super weapon drone technologywould you agree with that ass absolutely I mean the reason the all of this is breaka away technology uh that is usedby the Deep State that's a better word than cabal the Deep State and the Deep state is just the American subsidiary ofthe cabal but it's a good way to put it um but all of this Breakaway technologyis owned by the uh deep state which is also closely associated with themilitary-industrial complex which is global it is not American it is global I'm talking about the Pentagon and manyother uh subsidiaries of that as well they're all Global they're intimatelyconnected with the Deep State and I do want to ask about this which is the origins of this technology and youropinions on it because when I started digging into like the whole non-human intelligence thing I found out there isdozens of options everything from beings living under the water and under theEarth to extraterrestrials and interdimensional beings some people were saying these plasma orbs could be likeJin or Angels or you know uh things like that AI is being some of the options aswell like there was so many options I was like man and then also just the Breakaway civilization option which alsohas its own Splinter scenarios which is where I'm kind of leaning right now butI'm honestly open-minded to like really any option oh there's also I don't want to forget the option of like we dug upsome ancient technology from a previous civilization that was on this planet too and then figured out from there wherewhat is your research kind of shown on where you think this is all coming from I think that the proof that all thistechnology is hoarded grabbed by uh held on to by the same the same people it isit is the Deep state it is uh the cabal that sees themselves as in charge of theNations uh because if that wasn't the case and what that really means is thatwhenever we find this alien technology at Antarctica base let's say orsomething like that you'll have the cabal will swoop in there with their forces to make sure they get they grabevery bit of that technology ology that's how it happens that's how it always goes on and the reason that weknow today that that's how it happens is because none of the Nations the UnitedStates China has not used this technology against another nation in alarge sense at all it's never happened and the only reason it's never happenedis because the cabal is very careful about that not to allow U any unyeah yeah unlimited access to the any any one nation to this stuff because ifthey did the nation would we'd be using it against China China would be using it against us and that's a reason why evenif there are Chinese components in these large super weapon drones uh I don't Idon't believe China has any control over over this because they Al like what ifyou think there's an alien species out there you think they're visiting us think they're uh underwater you think they look like us what do you thinkabout aliens yes and all those all those patterns have been uh have been copieduh kind of like U like when a a serial killer uh goes out and does hissignature of how he kills people but then he gets copycats fans admirers whoend up copying his exact signature trying to be exactly like him and they go out and they do the same the sametypes of murders that's what we're looking at here where I see where theywant us to believe this is this could possibly be aliens that are accompanying these large super weapon drones the uhorbs and plasmas they're not they're absolutely not not at this point anyway I mean there is a chance that uh laterwe could get some alien involvement uh with this situation if it just gets out of hand uh and uh that's one of thethings we're going to see uh which way it goes once the uh large the lsds areexposed for what they are so you're saying that we've figured out these super weapons potentially based on alientechnology copying this other technology and that maybe we're being monitored aslike little children playing around with toys to make sure we don't mess around too much is that what your thoughts are good I like that yes that's exactlycorrect and I do believe they're watching very closely and uh it depends on uh what actually which way we go withthis uh you know as long as uh you knowuh whoever is using the drones uh doesn't uh go wholesale to just destroyanother Society with them uh when that happens I think higher powers are goingto have to get involved that's how I think we're looking at it now I think sowould you think that they are going to just like teleport out of nowhere and appear here do you think they're going to come out of the water you thinkthey're going to come from outer space or where do you think they would come from if they I think they're going come from the same place they always comefrom from these uh portals that are created all over the Earth uh because this is a multi-dimensional reality uhour existence with uh whatever alien visitors there are the real ones thegenuine ones uh I think they've always used portals uh that come here because they're not from outer space they don'tlock themselves in tin cans and sail across uh from planet to planet none of that happens uh they actually just useportals to come true and to do the their deeds and then they go back that's thescariest thing though isn't it like if you know all the movies are like oh it's like Independence Day the ship's goingto come flying down us but what if instead they just instantly appear out of nowhere right like all of a suddenthere's just ships everywhere right on top of us like that would be way scarier and I think a better reflection of therelative difference in technology like we always look at everything through a lens of our own technology but acivilization that's a million years more advanced than us it has access to the Zero Point Energy all around us that canbuild a material at the atomic layer and make basically any property they wantthey're going to look at us like ants we're like little ants to them at least in my opinion I think it's a little sadthat humans think we're so Advanced when we're probably just cavemen messing around compared compared to some moreadvanced civilization so um so I guess like I I don't know I think that's agood thought like I think that they wouldn't care about us so they're probably just watching me like you know see what the kids are doing until theymess up because we're so just far beneath them at this point but so if youfavored a certain opinion on where they were coming from so then you would say that they could be coming from prettymuch anywhere right because of the portal situation like it doesn't pretty much you're saying that our reality isso you would uh subscribe to the multi-universe multi- reality uhtimeline or time situation where you can just like jump between potential realities there might be Multiverse ofrealities going on at once is that your your thought process yes or they could be coming uh from Earth itself in adifferent time period as well so that's a movement in a different direction but still multi-dimensional as well oh 100%yes okay that's what I want to understand was what your perspective of multi-dimensional was and totally agree with your perspective on there I'm notpersonally convinced that we've got like a multi-universe thing going on but I haven't ruled it out I just don't have enough data to assume I think the waysto look at it in my opinion are one either time is deterministic where we don't really have free will andeverything was always predestined to be or like what you said with multi-universe where like everything'shappening slightly differently in different universes and you can kind of slide between them based on yourdecisions I think they're both really interesting theories and I think they open the door to time travel which ispotentially important when we're talking about this stuff with portals because like if you go through a portal and now you're on the other side of the universelike how does that work with time and like if you come back through the portalis it like a Narnia situation and now it's like a thousand years later or is it you know you come back through andit's a normal time again I don't know it's pretty interesting thoughts any thoughts depends on whether you believe Einstein is was real or whether he wasjust something that was put together uh by the powers that existed at the timein order to uh make us believe certain things so I think I think the best answers on that probably lies with uhTesla and uh his writings and I think we need to comb over those with a finetooth comb and that will give us a lot more insight than any of the other uhany of the other people that we uh look at today that's what I think I agree alot I used to think he was a mythical character and then I found out that he was no really a guy and all the power weuse is based on his inventions and oh he thought that free energy was possible based on radiant energy which is nowbasically just Zero Point Energy and it's like oh he thought all of this and we just kind of ignored it for 100 years150 years one more thought on the alien thing Here's a thought for you I want toget your opinion on these plasma orbs what if it turns out they're like really easy to inventlike we it only seems hard because we just haven't thought about trying to make them but what if it turns out likewe can make them as easy I have this lighter I keep around for examples I think it ran out of juice oh no but likewhat if we can make a plasma orb as simple as I can turn this lighter on right what if I this was a plasma orbgenerator and that's all I needed and I could just make a plasma orb and then the plasma orb just like a bubble startsfloating around and then eventually it dissipates but you know we can control it move it around what if it turns outthat that is just some property of the universe and like any civilization thatonce you figure that out now you've just moved up like the scale from like youknow cavemen figuring out fire this is like fire cavemen figuring out electricity like that's how much youwould jump up the reason why I wanted to get your opinion on this is because like you said like we're making our ownartificial version of these what if these aliens that are out there whatever any non-human intelligence what if theyfigure out how to make them too and that you know progressed created this hugegrowth in technological advancement for any civilization do you think that's a theory that makes sense to you you likethat theory yes it does uh it does very much so and I think it's very possiblethat we can uh create plasmas in the way that you're saying uh however the uhaddendum I would add to that is that um it really looks like there would be apoint where these plasmas these orbs would become sentient would becomealive uh and then you'd have the problem of well if they do become alive thenwhat if they become independent independent of the Creator and are ableto run around and do whatever they plan to do whatever they think is importantsee that's the other factor I think you have to add in because uh from what I'veseen uh there's a lot of these uh plasma UFOs that behave kind of like they'realive like not biological life in the sense that we know but there's mechanical life there's other types ofsentients and life that we are not prepared to understand fully and I thinkthat would be the other Factor because then what if you create these plasmaorbs Ashton and then they just decide that you know you're not worthy of beingalive or around because you're just biological and that's not important to them you know so I think that's anotherfactor that we need to add in there because i% I'm I'm 100% all in on what you justsaid right there and I didn't used to be like a little over a year ago it was salvator pis when I first spoke to himhe started talking about conscious plasma and everything else he was telling me was so grounded and I listenI'm like hm and he's telling me about Joseph P farell and I think other people said uh crap I think the Robert Templebook I forget the name of it um all talk about this idea of conscious plasma andthen though the more you start investigating Tesla and this idea of this energy all around us you reallystart to wonder like what is sentience like what if sentience is just apermanent connection to this energy that's out there I mean we eat all the time so that we always have energy in USand the moment we stop well we die so why couldn't a ball of plasma if it hasa permanent connection to that energy field why couldn't it besentient and the other thing that I tell people too anyone that's skeptical of this things as far well look at all thedifferent types of life we have on the planet we have trees and plants those are we is that sentient I mean it'salive we have dogs animals fish squid all these other types of creatures that are out there and human beings andmonkeys to me it seems like a pretty logical answer that the connection to this energy field is life and then youbroach the topic of like the same problem with AI what if AI or a centiumplasma or some combination can you imagine a sentient AI plasma decidesthat well we're biologic we're basically just ants and you step on ants or we'relet's say we're a parasite and it decides we're a parasite and we're not in harmony enough with the universeinides to wipe us out like I'm actually terrified of that I'm pretty sure at this point like that's just guaranteedwhat's going to happen everybody else is going no Ashton the AI is totally great blah blah blah nothing's gonna happenand I'm sitting going over here guys like can we delete all the AI before it's too late because we're cooked guysyeah so what do you think well the one thing that comforts me is that I I dobelieve in God and I do believe that uh God of one is God of all either you believe in God or you don't and uh thatI think that there's a there's a factor here that uh one of the reasons why umfor instance uh uh God allowed for instance the anaki and they're not byany means the only ones but they allowed he allowed anaki to create new forms oflife uh which they did we have we have all the recordings all over Earth of when the anunaki uh uh created and whoare also sometimes referred to as Fallen Angels uh and they came and they createddifferent forms of life and they have paintings and frescos showing them doing this and having their little batterypacks uh with them and all kinds of crazy stuff like that and I think thatone of the things about the uh creatures that separate from God is that theyalways go back to trying to imitate God and be just like God which which meanscreating life creating new life and so I think it actually amuses the Creator Godto actually let them try to be like him I think that's one of the things that wesee going on and that's why this conversation is so important about the uh plasma orbs getting Consciousness andAI getting Consciousness and I think that sort of thing is going to be allowed it's going to be allowed becauseit somehow it amuses God to watch us and watch others try to be just like him Ithink that's what we're facing here well he made us in His image so it makes sense right I mean that's the whole point and that's what scares me tooabout this idea that maybe it is all just a simulation and we're a simulation that another life form created thatanother life form created and eventually you get up to God you know that's also a solution to the answerand so it's like oh man maybe we are in a simulation we're like three simulations deep already right now because when you think OFA ThomasCampbell of my big toe no I haven't but obviously great minds think alike rightyeah check him out because uh Thomas Campbell is a phys physicist and he'skind of like Quantum I I don't know they called himself Quantum but he's like aQuantum physicist he's brilliant brilliant thinker and and he's the one who wrote my big toe my Theory ofEverything uh and he's just uh he's just amazing and he says he can just take afew steps to prove to you and he does in this book to prove to you that you are in a Sim simulation that may be exactlylike what you describe uh so he's just he's just a brilliant guy that's one of the few scientists you know I don't knowanything about science but I know but I tell you what I am an investigator andand I and I'm an investigator and I know what I do know is when people are lying to me or when they're telling me thetruth and I find I find most scientists are kind of like used car salesmentrying to sell lemons yeah and they're just trying to feed you all kinds of nonsense and I don't need to know a lotabout science to to say to myself this guy's just making this up he's just making up he just it's it's isnonsense and uh when I hear somebody like Thomas Campbell for yourself I cansay wow these guys they're telling the truth they're committed to the truththey're convicted by the truth and that really makes all the difference in the world and it's uh it's the reason whyI've only trusted a few people as scientists uh throughout the years like nicool Tesla uh McKenna uh uh ThomasCampbell and very few others and I I recommend it's a good way to be justfind out if they're telling you the truth that that's first that's the most important thing yeah and I think that'sa good note to end it on for our discussion today so I just want to thank you uh John duza uh former FBI agent forhaving this conversation with me talking about the Deep State corruption plasmaorbs and aliens and all this fun stuff I mean I'm just blessed to be on this Earth be able to talk to fun people likeyou and I do want to say it is really important that we talk about this plasma orb stuff I think we're going toVindicated in the future and it's we're going to find out they do have these plasma orbs that are drones that havebasically unlimited payload capability and that's going to usher in like potentially a new Cold War and a new wayof thinking for all of humanity so thank you for being an influencer of theseideas and pushing these ideas out there to other people on podcast because I strongly believe we're in an informationwar and that the only way we win is by getting the ideas out there especially on alternative media so thank you Johngo ahead and uh say whatever you want to say and you can shout out your books and and where people can find you yeahthanks so much Ashton it is so awesome to be here with you and yes uh people can find me at my website is John tabbooks.com and uh I would urge people especially right now to uh just take alook at my book the extra dimensionals because it goes into everything that's happening right now uh even it waswritten many years AG it was written years ago but what ha what's in that book is everything that's happeningright now and I just want people to just I mean just get your uh get your personal assistant to read you the notesat least and uh put put that together for you uh and um just so you can havesome idea of what's actually happening because right now we're on the cusp of possibly uh these um these large superweapon drones possibly going kinetic against us and we're going to see what happens at the inauguration I would askpeople don't go to the inauguration just watch it on your television just watch it on TV and don't go there becausewe're in a very very dangerous time and uh we need to make sure uh as many of ussurvive as possible that's what we're looking at right here thanks again Ashton great being thank you very muchsir this was another episode of hard TRS podcast check us next time guys later